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To: RnMomof7; Belteshazzar; xone
Actually, it's not spelling ---> you said that RNMomof7: Lutherans do not believe in transubstantiation the physical stays the physical... I understand their teaching of con substaniation

1.it is properly referred to as Consubstantiation

2. You just revealed that you do not know anything about Lutherans if you say you"understand THEIR teaching of consubstantion". The Lutherans as represented here by the LCMS folks do NOT believe in consubstantiation.

They believe in the SAcramental Union

585 posted on 12/17/2010 1:58:14 PM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Cronos; RnMomof7; xone

Cronos noted that Lutherans do not believe, teach or confess consubstantiation. In this he is absolutely correct. They believe in regard to the Lord’s Supper that there is a sacramental union of the body and blood of Christ with the bread and wine of which it is said, in Christ’s stead and at His command and promise, “This is My body ... This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you for the forgiveness of sins.”

In an earlier post, RnMomof7 asked:
“Now one more time..is the spiritual less REAL than the physical?”

With all due respect, RnMomof7, your question has nothing to do with what the Scriptures teach in regard to the Lord’s Supper. It is akin to asking, in regard to the composition of the road bed and surface on which one is driving whether the surface which one sees as one drives is more real than the road bed which one does not see.

The Supper of the Lord, by the inerrant testimony of the Lord and His apostles, consists both of that which is seen and that which is unseen, of that which is temporal and that which is eternal, of that which is of the creation and that which is of the Creator. It is something that by its very description and definition defies human logic and explanation. Nevertheless what Jesus says of it is to be believed. There is peril in calling Him a liar. Better than that is to say, “I’m not sure and I don’t understand, but I believe my Lord, who never lies to me or to anyone.”

So, the question is not, “is the spiritual less real than the physical,” but, “what did the Lord say of this which He instituted and commanded for our good and gracious blessing?”

If you want to detach your focus from the Lord’s Supper and ask as a general question, “is the spiritual less real than the physical?”, the answer is no ... providing you understand rightly what the terms physical and spiritual mean. This is no small consideration, for many who call themselves Christian do not properly distinguish these two things.


605 posted on 12/17/2010 3:15:51 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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