Are You More Blessed Than the Virgin Mary?

Desiring God ^ | 12/15/2010 | Jonathan Parnell

[RnMomof7]

In the sermon descriptively entitled, “That Hearing and Keeping the Word of God Renders a Person More Blessed Than Any Other Privilege That Ever God Bestowed on Any of the Children of Men,” Jonathan Edwards writes: The hearing and keeping the word of God brings the happiness of a spiritual union and communion with God. ‘Tis a greater blessedness to have spiritual communion with God and to have a saving intercourse with him by the instances of his Spirit and by the exercise of true devotion than it is to converse with God externally, to see the visible representation and manifestations of his presence and glory, and to hear his voice with the bodily ears as Moses did. For in this spiritual intercourse the soul is nigh unto and hath more a particular portion than in any external intercourse. ‘Tis more blessed to be spiritually related to Jesus Christ—to be his disciples, his brethren and the members—than to stand in the nearest temporal relation, than to be his brother or his mother. Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus, ed. Nancy Guthrie, 57.

[RnMomof7]

Actually, you have it quite wrong. If you take the French translation it says L'ange entra chez elle, et dit: Je te salue, toi à qui une grâce a été faite; le Seigneur est avec toi.
And the Croatian
Gabrijel joj se ukazao i rekao: 'Zdravo, milosti puna! Gospodin s tobom!'
And the Romanian Îngerul a intrat la ea, şi a zis: ,,Plecăciune, ţie, căreia ţi s'a făcut mare har; Domnul este cu tine, binecuvîntată eşti tu între femei!``
All indicate full of grace.

SO???? The ORIGINAL INSPIRED TEXT says Highly favored.. all you have done is go to other sources that are most likely translations from the Latin RD version..

This proves NOTHING..go to the greek, the language God chose for His word .

[Cronos]

well, we understand it well enough not to come to the wrong conclusion as your group has of saying that Jesus was just an Ark, just a container for God.

You do believe the Jesus is God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, through Him all things were made

You do believe this, don't you? We Christians here in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God, wholly man and wholly God -- we think that if your group says that Jesus was just a container for God that is blasphemous -- Jesus was/is God, you know.

[Cronos]

Cronos: Actually J, B is a Lutheran, they DO have altars and they believe that Christ is present on the Altar, and the True Presence is there in the Eucharist.

RnMo: Is the physical more "real" than the spiritual?

I can't speak for Lutherans -- Belt, xone, please can you answer RN?

[Cronos]

1. Who are the best, most authentic, Most Biblical, wisest, most loving and kind Christians you know? -- the ones who I know NOW are all Catholics. There have been in the past really authentic Lutherans or Methodists and one pentecostal that I've known in real life as being authentic. Of course, this is just my experience and I do not mean that Anglicans or Baptists are not authentic too (but I don't think Mormons or JWs or SDA or OPers are)

[RnMomof7]

well, we understand it well enough not to come to the wrong conclusion as your group has of saying that Jesus was just an Ark, just a container for God.

This just proves the inability of Rome or catholics to rightly divide the scriptures
reading 7 or 8 verses out of context and then preaching or teaching on them is nothing more than proof texting

Making Mary the ark is the start of her goddess status.. the blood poured on her for the propitiation of sin.. the golden exterior.. the perfect goddess.. the kneeling before it.. just the start of the Mary worship

You do believe the Jesus is God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, through Him all things were made
You do believe this, don't you? We Christians here in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God, wholly man and wholly God -- we think that if your group says that Jesus was just a container for God that is blasphemous -- Jesus was/is God, you know.

I am sorry, I do not believe catholics meet the biblical definition of Christian..

[Cronos]

Actually the original text in Greek says "full of grace". And this is the one that is translated into other languages like the French translation it says L'ange entra chez elle, et dit: Je te salue, toi à qui une grâce a été faite; le Seigneur est avec toi. And the Croatian Gabrijel joj se ukazao i rekao: 'Zdravo, milosti puna! Gospodin s tobom!' And the Romanian Îngerul a intrat la ea, şi a zis: ,,Plecăciune, ţie, căreia ţi s'a făcut mare har; Domnul este cu tine, binecuvîntată eşti tu între femei!`` All indicate full of grace.

So, quite a few of the translations from Greek to other languages get it right. Perhaps it's the lack of richness in English that causes some of the NIV etc. translators to get it wrong.

go to the greek, the language God chose for His word -- you'll see that Greeks, Greek Orthodox, Greek CAtholics etc. believe the way we do. Also Maronites, Chaldeans, Assyrians etc. who are a lot closer to the original language than your group's English. All beleive in the "full of grace" bit

Ergo -- your translation is wrong.

[RnMomof7]

RnMo: Is the physical more "real" than the spiritual?

Actually that question was to you... Do you believe the spiritual is LESS REAL than the physical ?

Lutherans do not believe in transubstantiation the physical stays the physical... I understand their teaching of con substaniation

My question is for you..is the spiritual less real than the physical??

[metmom]

The Law allows for the taking of human life.

How does abortion qualify under that exemption?

[Quix]

Here’s a great one in Phoenix.

70+ year old wirey black Pastor Julia Coleman will likely read your mail in a flash and tell you by God’s Spirit exactly where you are spiritually and in terms of any other aspect of your life that needs major correction:

HOLY GHOST FILLED BAPTIST CHURCH OF MIRACLES, INC.

623 398 4263

church 602 956 2853

I think they meet at or have offices at

2505 E Thomas Rd, Suite 2, Phoenix, AZ 85016.

Services
Sunday School 10:30
Sunday Worship 19:30
Wed Worship 19:30

Radio Services KXEG 1280 AM
Sat 10:00AM
Sat 12:00 noon
Sundays 16:15

She does have some quirks . . . she’s a bit fiercely KJV only. She’s also a bit fiercely hostile to any hint of racism.

They minister a LOT to homeless and street people.

She takes no salary. Just lives ‘by faith’ . . . whatever God provides.

She ministers a lot to Dineh [Navajo] in AZ and in NM and OK.

She has stopped a number of murders and suicides by the word of Knowledge from Holy Spirit. In some cases, the warning from Pastor Coleman was ignored as impossibly wrong and the person was shot or stabbed—dead.

Healings are common.

She has prophecied a number of times that specific desperate people would get jobs within 24 hours—and they did.

In many marriage situations, a spouse might joyfully talk about a great friend and what a help they were in a troubled marriage situation and Pastor Coleman would tell them by Holy Spirit that the “great friend” was after or already sleeping with the spouse—and it would be true.

A number of times, demonized agitators went into their services to cause trouble and Pastor Coleman would be alerted by Holy Spirit and confront them immediately—offering them deliverance, Jesus and freedom or telling them to leave immediately. They always did one or the other.

So, don’t go there unless you are serious about a closer walk with God.

She’s a Dear—even when she misconstrues things occasionally and goes off on a tangent, she’s still a Dear.

Pastor Coleman spots phony’s light years away.

[Cronos]

Do You believe that Jesus is God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, through Him all things were made

You do believe this, don't you? We Christians here in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God, wholly man and wholly God -- we think that if your group says that Jesus was just a container for God that is blasphemous -- Jesus was/is God, you know.

If your group doesn't believe that Jesus is God, then it does not meet the biblical definition of Christian.

[metmom]

Finally the blinders have fallen off my eyes. After 54 years as a cradle Roman Catholic I know that I have followed false teachings. Please help me to the one and only true Christian church. I need to know. I do not trust my prayers to find the true church, since I have the heretical teachings of 54 years that block the truth to my heart and mind. I found a list of thousands of Christian churches who do not believe in the teachings of the harlot of Rome. Which is the true and only Christian church do you attend?

The blinders aren't off enough.

I agree with Quix on this one. Presuming that this post and request are authentic, you need to realize that it's not a church that saves but rather Jesus Himself.

John 14:6 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Go to Jesus and then get a Bible and get to know Him by reading His word. Pray for direction to find a church that preaches the word and go to grow there.

But it will not save you because IT didn't die for you. Throw yourself on the mercy of the court. Ask Jesus for that forgiveness.

[Cronos]

Your posts saying that Jesus is similar to the Ark as just a container for God, and not God just prove the inability of your cult from read scripture

reading 7 or 8 verses out of context and then preaching or teaching on them is nothing more than proof texting -- you ought to complain to your pastor

Do You believe that Jesus is God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, through Him all things were made

You do believe this, don't you? We Christians here in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God, wholly man and wholly God -- we think that if your group says that Jesus was just a container for God that is blasphemous -- Jesus was/is God, you know.

If your group doesn't believe that Jesus is God, then it does not meet the biblical definition of Christian.

[metmom]

The baiting here is so obvious as to be ludicrous.

[Cronos]

Actually, the post was telling Judith Anne about Lutheran practises. Let me repeat it for you

Actually J, B is a Lutheran, they DO have altars and they believe that Christ is present on the Altar, and the True Presence is there in the Eucharist.

Let's ask real Lutherans like Belt or xone to answer your question -- B, X, Rn wants to know if Is the physical more "real" than the spiritual?

[metmom]

Is your church a secret church that cannot be named? If your church is the true and only Christian church, then all of us need to know the name so as not to be lost.

The mods have already determined that trolling for personal information that can potentially compromise one's screen name is, well, trolling.

Others have been warned to stop it. You might want to consider that same course of action.

[Cronos]

RNMomof7: Lutherans do not believe in transubstantiation the physical stays the physical... I understand their teaching of con substaniation

1.it is properly referred to as Consubstantiation

2. You just revealed that you do not know anything about Lutherans if you say you"understand THEIR teaching of consubstantion".

[metmom]

Quoting mining won’t get you anywhere.

It’s intellectually dishonest and we can see right through it.

[Cronos]

RnMomof7 said The ark is a type of CHRIST

You said (reply to a different post of Rn’s):Doesn’t that make us all arks of the covenant?

So do you disagree with R's first statement that Ark is a type of Christ?

or

if you agree with R that the Ark is a type of Christ and you state that "us all are arks", then, your logic states that “us all” are types of Christ.

[Cronos]

RnMomof7 said The ark is a type of CHRIST

You said (reply to a different post of Rn’s):Doesn’t that make us all arks of the covenant?

So do you disagree with R's first statement that Ark is a type of Christ?

or

if you agree with R that the Ark is a type of Christ and you state that "us all are arks", then, your logic states that “us all” are types of Christ. Is that your logic, M?

[Quix]

Here's some plain Bible for some to gnash some idolatrous teeth on:

JESUS THE CHRIST SAID IN GOD'S WORD:

That of those

born of a woman

JOHN THE BAPTIST

WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .

I tell you THE TRUTH: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.MAT 11:11

MAT 12:46--
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV

Obedience Is Thicker than Blood
46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE

The True Family of Jesus
46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION

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I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?

Or maybe she arrived by UFO like the imposter at Fatima?

OR DO YOU SIMPLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE

GOD'S WORD?