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Are You More Blessed Than the Virgin Mary?
Desiring God ^ | 12/15/2010 | Jonathan Parnell

Posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by RnMomof7

In the sermon descriptively entitled, “That Hearing and Keeping the Word of God Renders a Person More Blessed Than Any Other Privilege That Ever God Bestowed on Any of the Children of Men,” Jonathan Edwards writes: The hearing and keeping the word of God brings the happiness of a spiritual union and communion with God. ‘Tis a greater blessedness to have spiritual communion with God and to have a saving intercourse with him by the instances of his Spirit and by the exercise of true devotion than it is to converse with God externally, to see the visible representation and manifestations of his presence and glory, and to hear his voice with the bodily ears as Moses did. For in this spiritual intercourse the soul is nigh unto and hath more a particular portion than in any external intercourse. ‘Tis more blessed to be spiritually related to Jesus Christ—to be his disciples, his brethren and the members—than to stand in the nearest temporal relation, than to be his brother or his mother. Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus, ed. Nancy Guthrie, 57.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: blessed; catholicbashing; edwards; marianobsession; mary; scripture
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To: Quix

SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by Marsha Burns — 12/16/2010:

Throw caution to the wind and launch out into the deep waters of revelation of My purposes for you. I am seeking those whose hearts are willing to risk everything to live life in the Kingdom to its fullest. Refuse to allow fear to be a restraining force, and dare to believe My Word and allow its demonstration in every circumstance. This is no time to puddle around in shallow faith. Be undaunted in the face of danger or adversity as you believe the truth that will set you free, says the Lord.

John 8:32 “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.”


181 posted on 12/16/2010 4:38:46 AM PST by Joya
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To: Cronos

But for me, since I live a little over two hours from GZ, NYC, it had given me a sense at the time of the feeling of end times.


182 posted on 12/16/2010 4:41:25 AM PST by Biggirl (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! GO UCONN!!!!:)=^..^=)
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To: metmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
!INDEED!
ABSOLUTELY TO THE MAX!
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[Quixicated version:]

To: diamond6; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Yes there are many misinformed catholics but what matters is what the church teaches. If a catholic is in error, that does not represent what the church teaches.

If there are misinformed Catholics, it's the church's responsibility. It hasn't done an adequate job of catechizing its adherents.

Not to mention that what the local Catholic church teaches is not what FRoman Catholics claim the RCC *really* teaches.

What the Catholic church really teaches doesn't always line up with what FRoman Catholics say its official doctrine is.

68 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:21:06 PM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

**What the Catholic church really teaches doesn’t always line up with what FRoman Catholics say its official doctrine is.**

metmom,
What is the basis for this experience. Have you experienced this personally? Where? When? How? Why? Exactly what did you experience?

71 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:29:38 PM by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)

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To: metmom

It never lines up. No matter which way you try to make it match up, it just doesn’t. And yet it is rabidly defended. Like there is a source to go to to refresh oneself with the facts and come back stronger. There is no fact checker, no complete reference, nothing written in permanent ink. It’s been here for 2000 years, gave us all the information we would ever need to know about the Bible, holds the keys to the kingdom, has the power to retain or remit sins, can turn wafers and wine into flesh and blood. Yet no one knows exactly what the RCC believes for sure. No one knows exactly what they’ve sold their soul for.

72 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:33:55 PM by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)

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To: Salvation; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

What is the basis for this experience. Have you experienced this personally? Where? When? How? Why? Exactly what did you experience?

My experience, and the experience as stated by other former Catholics on this forum.

I know what the Catholics I grew up with and lived with and worked with believed. I've related it several times over the last several months and all I keep hearing is the knee jerk response of "That's not what the Catholic church *really* teaches", by which the person means is not technically correct Vatican approved doctrine. But it is, in reality, what the Catholic church does indeed teach else there wouldn't be so many Catholics with the exact same (alleged) errors about church doctrine.

If the errors were a matter of faulty individual interpretation, then they would be different errors, not all the same kind.

74 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:38:50 PM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

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To: Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

We beg you to accept our devotion to you and to your Son.

Not just Jesus, but Mary also?

Why? Why should someone devote themselves to a dead person living in heaven who has no power to answer prayers? What's she capable of doing for them or you?

In service and love of that Truth, we commit our lives, our hearts, our minds, ourselves to you, oh calm, gentle, and sweet, oh Blessed mother.

Sounds like worship and idolatry to me-putting Mary on the same level as Jesus and committing your life to her.

God did say something about idols. And idols are not always most out of wood or stone.

77 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:50:49 PM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

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183 posted on 12/16/2010 4:42:01 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

That’s

NOT

per se

what Proddys see emphasized 24/7/365 on FR and in a majority of the facets of the Vatican system.


184 posted on 12/16/2010 4:43:47 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: circlecity

You bet. When one prays TO anyone other than the persons of the Trinity (as opposed to praying FOR) then it’s idolatry.


I GREATLY AGREE.


185 posted on 12/16/2010 4:44:44 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Puddleglum; All

Thank-you for your response, congrats to OK also getting into the Festa Bowl. To me, be it OK,CT, or any of the other college football teams, it is a GREAT HONOR to get a bowl or BCS bowl bid. My UConn Huskies play in my hometown, during the college football season, at Rentcheler Field, East Hartford, CT. To me, it is an added early Christmas gift to see the Huskies get into a BCS bowl. It is a sign of sucess for a college football program that ONLY fifteen years ago, was ONLY a 1AA team. What would have taken a generation, took only twelve years to go from that level to the Festa. Thank-you Coach Randy Edstall! :)=^..^=

Merry Christmas to you, OK University, and to ALL here on FR!:)=^..^=


186 posted on 12/16/2010 4:48:40 AM PST by Biggirl (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! GO UCONN!!!!:)=^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

Quite understandably it has given you such a sense about the end times.

However,

imho,

ANYONE,

LIVING ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET

WHO’S WELL READ ON BIBLICAL PROPHECY,

THE LEAST BIT AWAKE,

with an IQ above a gnat’s

WITH THE LEAST BIT OF FAIR-MINDED OBJECTIVITY

with the least bit of awareness about ISRAEL AND ABOUT GLOBALISM

with the least bit of an undersanding of Mat 24

and any even MSM news channels

. . . would soberly realize

we are well into the END TIMES.


187 posted on 12/16/2010 4:51:44 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: circlecity
Yes, that is what we Christians in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church believe -- that there is one mediator with the Father, Jesus Christ. "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, a man, Jesus Christ, who has given himself as a ransom for all, the testimony in its own time" (1 Tim. 2:5-6)

The Catholic Church has always believed that Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. It is the death and resurrection of Jesus alone by which people are saved.
In 449 Pope Leo the Great wrote his Tome against Eutyches, who taught that Jesus Christ had only one nature, not two. (This was the heresy of monophysitism.) In the Tome, which the Council of Chalcedon accepted as the authentic Catholic teaching on Christ, he quotes 1 Timothy 2:5 as the authentic Catholic doctrine: "Hence, as was suitable for the alleviation of our distress, one and the same mediator between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, was both mortal and immortal under different.aspects."

The fifth session of the Council of Trent (1546) laid out the belief in Jesus the one true mediator as the norm of Catholic faith: "[Original sin cannot be] taken away through the powers of human nature or through a remedy other than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, who reconciled us to God in his blood, having become our justice, and sanctification, and redemption."

The schema of the Dogmatic Constitution on the Principal Mysteries of the Faith, drafted for the First Vatican Council (1869-1870), includes the unique mediation of Jesus Christ as one of these principal mysteries: "Truly, therefore, Christ Jesus is mediator between God and man, one man dying for all; he made satisfaction to the divine justice for us, and he erased the handwriting that was against us. Despoiling principalities and powers, he brought us from our longstanding slavery into the freedom of sons."
These quotations from official Catholic documents give unambiguous proof that the Church believes Jesus Christ and no other is the one mediator between sinful humanity and the righteous God

Saints on earth and in heaven may intercede for others -- you may pray for me, as we are members of the Body of Christ. Because of this membership in Christ, under his headship, the intercession of the saints cannot be a rival to Christ's mediation; it is one with the mediation of Christ, to whom and in whom the saints form one body. Thus, we (men) ask them (men, too) to pray to the one Mediator (Jesus) in order to find favor with the Father.
188 posted on 12/16/2010 4:53:42 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Cannonball Bill
ha ha ha, nice little poke this time of year. The Angel Gabriel saluted her as “full of grace”. Are you arrogant enough to think you were ever filled with grace as she was or is? Protestant-ism...heretics

Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

189 posted on 12/16/2010 4:54:13 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: diamond6
Some things can’t be proven. It’s just common sense.

The doctrines of men and not God

190 posted on 12/16/2010 4:55:39 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Quix
that no other era not even all the other eras combined come remotely close to the same ball park as this era

Not really -- Check about the life and times of Early Christians in the first 4-5 centuries.

And if you say that the end times started in 1948, that's a long time to collect a list of factors.

How would you say that say the Millerites were wrong?
191 posted on 12/16/2010 4:57:00 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Biggirl
since I live a little over two hours from GZ, NYC, it had given me a sense at the time of the feeling of end times.

Of course -- to you it would definitely have given that impression. However the world is much, much bigger and diverse than just the US.
192 posted on 12/16/2010 4:58:11 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Puddleglum; All

Opps, this has been a morning of being forgetful for me, but then again, this is the season to get stressful and even forgetful, I need to add an additional greeting:

Merry Christmas to the UConn Huskies, UConn, and CT itself!:)=^..^=


193 posted on 12/16/2010 4:59:01 AM PST by Biggirl (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! GO UCONN!!!!:)=^..^=)
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To: Quix; caww
what we see emphasised on FR

Quix -- FR is an online discussion forum. This is not my real life, nor is it reality at all, it's virtual. Caww was pointing out how throughout Mary's whole exaltation she lifted up God...not herself. Count the very references to Him..over and over she magnifies HIS NAME...and how little she speaks of herself...and when she does it is always from the perspective of who He is and what He has done

In the real world, during the main community prayer of us Christians in The Church, in Divine Litury, Mass we have all praise and glory to God, The Father Son and Holy Spirit. We read His Word (OT, NT, Psalms, Proverbs, Gospels, Epistles), we meditate on His Word, we celebrate His life, we mourn His death, we remember in awe His sacrifice for us, we glorify in His resurrection and we remember that He will come again.
The Mass is completely in remembrance of Christ: life, death, resurrection, glorification of God alone

as I said in my post above commenting on Mary's praise to God her Savior, she called Him her Savior while He was still in her womb, He saved her even before He was born, He did this by preserving her from sin -- Mary very rightly praises God for doing this for her (she did nothing to save herself -- all was by God, for God) -- to God alone the glory as we see reflected in her prayer and in our prayer, the Mass

If one drops in for mass at any nearby Church, one can see this way in which we are awe-struck at the life, death, resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ, at the power of the Holy Spirit, at the majesty of The Father and we ask the SPirit to bless us.
194 posted on 12/16/2010 5:05:21 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Cronos

I’ve often reviewed such things.

It boggles my mind that someone as bright as you

could even fantasize that such earlier conjectures were in remotely the same ballpark.


195 posted on 12/16/2010 5:05:32 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos
"These quotations from official Catholic documents give unambiguous proof that the Church believes Jesus Christ and no other is the one mediator between sinful humanity and the righteous God"

Except when it doesn't.

196 posted on 12/16/2010 5:14:16 AM PST by circlecity
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To: RnMomof7
The ark is a type of CHRIST placed in the Holy of Holies

Scriptures?

The last verse of Rev 11 leading into chapter 12 demonstrates otherwise. Also, please note that the top of the Ark was called the "mercy seat". Sounds to me like it's not God, and not a type of God, but the place where God's presence rests.

197 posted on 12/16/2010 5:47:34 AM PST by Campion
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To: topcat54
We know that men and councils can and do err.

Which, ironically, is a "knowledge" Protestants never seem to apply to the man they see in the mirror. In practice, it's always "men and councils can and do err ... except for me".

198 posted on 12/16/2010 5:50:28 AM PST by Campion
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To: RnMomof7; Cannonball Bill
Cannonball bill: The Angel Gabriel saluted her as “full of grace”. to think you were ever filled with grace as she was or is?

Rn: Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Luke does NOT says MORE blessed. If you read 11:28 literally it seems on first reading to say "No, she ain't, rather are..." which is incorrect. What He is saying is yes, she is blessed, but ALSO are blessed those that hear the word of God and keept it. There is no indication of a cmparative in that verse
199 posted on 12/16/2010 5:55:04 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: smvoice; Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...

I think it came from here.....(last paragraph)

Prayer of Pope Pius XII
In Honor of the Immaculate Conception

http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm

Prayer of Pope Pius XII

Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.

O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!

O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.

Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.


200 posted on 12/16/2010 5:58:33 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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