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To: mlizzy
people who openly and unblushingly say the most shocking things, difficult to put up with, we should take refuge in silence,

Have you ever considered that many of the things taught by the RC regarding Mary such as the theory of the IC are "the most shocking things, difficult to put up with?" The knife cuts both ways.

The irony here is that Ambrose would be spinning in his grave if a pope told him that he must accept the dogma of the IC.

38 posted on 12/08/2010 1:46:55 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54; mlizzy

you wrote:

“The irony here is that Ambrose would be spinning in his grave if a pope told him that he must accept the dogma of the IC.”

I’m not so sure of that.

Ambrose of Milan:

Come, then, and search out your sheep, not through your servants or hired men, but do it yourself. Lift me up bodily and in the flesh, which is fallen in Adam. Lift me up not from Sarah but from Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace had made inviolate, free of every stain of sin (Commentary on Psalm 118:22-30 [A.D. 387]).


40 posted on 12/08/2010 1:55:34 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: topcat54
The irony here is that Ambrose would be spinning in his grave if a pope told him that he must accept the dogma of the IC.
What a joke! He's already in heaven; he knows the truth. And if you can't take Mary's word for it ... what can I say? Nothing!
Finally, it is also interesting that in several apparitions of our Blessed Mother, she herself has attested to her Immaculate Conception: On December 9 (the date for the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception in the Spanish Empire) in 1531 at Guadalupe, Mary said to Juan Diego, "I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the true God, through whom everything lives...." In 1830, Mary told St. Catherine Laboure to have the Miraculous Medal struck with the inscription, "Mary conceived free from sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee." Lastly, when she appeared to St. Bernadette at Lourdes in 1858, Mary said, "I am the Immaculate Conception." --Link.

41 posted on 12/08/2010 2:00:25 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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