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To: vladimir998
It’s not post medievel.

See How Many Popes Does it Take to Deny the Immaculate Conception?

That’s not what he is saying.

Clearly it is. Augustine would not teach a Pelagian doctrine like the IC.

Moreover, when expounding the Gospel according to Luke, he [i.e. Ambrose] says: "It was no cohabitation with a husband which opened the secrets of the Virgin's womb; rather was it the Holy Ghost which infused immaculate seed into her unviolated womb. For the Lord Jesus alone of those who are born of woman is holy, inasmuch as He experienced not the contact of earthly corruption, by reason of the novelty of His immaculate birth; nay, He repelled it by His heavenly majesty." (Augustine's Anti-Pelagian Works quoted here )

31 posted on 12/08/2010 12:11:08 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54

You wrote:

“Clearly it is. Augustine would not teach a Pelagian doctrine like the IC.”

So you believe being cleansed by Christ’s is Pelagian? Unbelievable.


34 posted on 12/08/2010 12:28:32 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: topcat54

You wrote:

“See How Many Popes Does it Take to Deny the Immaculate Conception?”

Apparently you’re very ennamoured with Turretin, but he doesn’t seem very able.

I read through the quotes from Leo I, for instance, and none of them deny the Immaculate Conception.

The same goes for Gelasius I - he never once mentioned Mary for instance.

Gregory I - none of the quotes mention Mary.

John IV - no mention of Mary.

Innocent III - “He had before come into her, when, in her mother’s womb, He cleansed her soul from original sin; but now too He came upon her to cleanse her flesh from the ‘fomes’ of sin, that she might be altogether without spot or wrinkle.” So Innocent believed she was in fact immaculate.

“7. John XXII (or Benedict XII)”

Uh, if you can’t tell me who EXACTLY said it, then I don’t see why I should take the quote at face value to begin with.

And when you follow the link you discover no real source is listed. I just love it when bigots cite bigots who cited bigots.


35 posted on 12/08/2010 12:46:38 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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