[Cronos]

Well, I don't know, let's see what Rn or Met answer

We like to believe that the Holy Spirit is all-powerful and He protected Mary from sin. Mary did nothing great, all of it was from God and by God, all Mary did was say yes, everything else was from God and is for the greater glory of God.

To Rn and Met: Do you think it impossible for the Holy Spirit to preserve a created being like Mary from sin?

If you believe that the Holy Spirit can do this and that this has nothing to do with our salvation (which came from Christ and His sacrifice) and if this doesn't contradict scripture, then quite frankly this is not an argument but just dancing around.

However, our Calvinist friends would like to believe in Cessationism, that God somehow packed up and left. Cessationists generally believe that the miraculous gifts were given only for the foundation of the Church, during the time between the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, c. AD 33 (see Acts 2) and the fulfillment of God's purposes in history, usually identified as either the completion of the last book of the New Testament or the death of the last Apostle, i.e. John the Apostle.

In contrast, they forget that we are a community of the Pentecost, we are a community, a church where thanks to Christ we can experience God in our lives -- God is not a far-away God, He is here and now.

[Iscool]

To Rn and Met: Do you think it impossible for the Holy Spirit to preserve a created being like Mary from sin?

Why would he??? He didn't preserve Adam and Eve from sin...

[metmom]

Do you think it impossible for the Holy Spirit to preserve a created being like Mary from sin?

That's really an irrelevant question because the issue is not whether He could but whether He did.

And since Mary says she needs a savior, then, no, He didn't. If she had not sinned, she would not have recognized her need for one.

[metmom]

Do you think it impossible for the Holy Spirit to preserve a created being like Mary from sin?

That's really an irrelevant question because the issue is not whether He could but whether He did.

Tell us this then. If He could do it for her, why not do it for the rest of us? Why make us go through our lives sinning, hurting others, being hurt by others, living with and dealing with the consequences of sin?

Does not the Catholic church teach free will? If God kept Mary from sin, where was her free will in all this? If He kept her from sin, she had no choice about whether to sin or not so the Catholic veneration of her for being sinless is meaningless because she then would have only been doing what she was pre-programmed to do.

Kinda sounds like she was predestined to me.....