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To: dangus; presently no screen name
No, those are all verses from the bible. I remember watching that Nativity movie a couple years ago, where Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary was so alien to the Protestant/fictionalized context of the nativity, it was removed from the story, and placed, balkanized, at the end of the movie. And Gabriel was a mute light.

What has Elizabeths greeting to do with our being saved? If she had said Ohh no Mary I hear you are pregnant out of wedlock.. would that have changed the gospel in any way?

One of the most interesting events that PROCEEDED that greeting was what happened in Elizabeths womb.. Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

BEFORE Elizabeth could see or recognize Christ the Holy Spirit had to open her eyes ... The prophet John the Baptist was filled while in the womb of his mother

THAT is the event we need to celebrate, the work of the Holy Spirit..not Elizabeth or Mary but the work of God in HIS people

Precisely. However, she was declared “full of grace,” or, “most highly favored one” at a time when all other men were condemned. Even the archangel Gabriel greeted her, with a “Hail!”

How do YOU know ALL other men were condemned? What is your source of that knowledge? God ALWAYS has a remnant according to grace

The child in the womb of Elizabeth was a prophet..of him Christ said this

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

The one that leapt in the womb at the presence of Christ..was counted, by Christ, as greater than His mother

434 posted on 12/05/2010 11:12:40 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7
What has Elizabeths greeting to do with our being saved? If she had said Ohh no Mary I hear you are pregnant out of wedlock.. would that have changed the gospel in any way?

I was referencing the source of the bible verses I cited which you falsely asserted were not in the bible. St. Elizabeth greet the Blessed Virgin Mary "Blessed are you among women," and "mother of my Lord," and to whom Mary declared that "all ages shall call me blessed." How is it you do not recognize these allusions?

BEFORE Elizabeth could see or recognize Christ the Holy Spirit had to open her eyes ... The prophet John the Baptist was filled while in the womb of his mother

Yes, when Elizabeth HEARD THE VOICE OF MARY, John the Baptist leapt with joy in his mother's womb.

How do YOU know ALL other men were condemned? What is your source of that knowledge? God ALWAYS has a remnant according to grace

All men were condemned prior to the coming of Christ, for all have been born with original sin. Except one, she who was "filled with grace."

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Among those WHAT that are born of women? The unedited passage says THIS:

"But what went you out to see? A Prophet? Yea, I tell you, and more than a prophet! For this is he of whom the angel has written, 'Behold, I send my angel before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee.' Amen, I say to you, there has not risen among them that are born of women a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than him."
John was the greatest among prophets, but less than the least of the Kingdom of Heaven (for he died without being saved by Grace, although to those such as him did Christ preach to those in prison, and for whom the gates of Hell did not withstand. Mary, saved doubly by Grace through her immaculate Conception, and by receiving the blood of Christ, is not counted among those to whom Jesus referred. By your understanding, you would also have to presume that John the Baptist was greater than Peter, Paul, John the evangelist, James and the rest of the disciples, for they were also born of women by that time.
441 posted on 12/05/2010 11:40:20 AM PST by dangus
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