Posted on 12/03/2010 4:14:50 PM PST by bibletruth
1 Timothy 2:5 ...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
There is NO debate here: God's Word clearly points out who the mediator is between God and men: i.e., Christ Jesus
If you believe in God's Word, who is Christ Jesus: The Word of God, then 1 Timothy 2:5 will be easily be understood as Christ the mediator.
My words are simple. Sad that you cannot understand them.
As for what I believe, I believe exactly what the Holy Catholic Church teaches and has taught since Our Lord Founded her. Nothing more, nothing less.
Can you answer the same questions you pose?
No one is saying Jesus isn’t God. Again, that’s your human understanding speaking. And you are too indoctrination in man’s teachings to grasp much more.
Can you explain how there are three persons in One God?
I know of 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000%
venom toward Mary the mother of JESUS.
We have lots of hostility to the idolatries, blasphemies and heresies spread abroad in the name of the
pseudo Mary caricature proffered in her name on FR and in
the Vatican Alice in Wonderland School of Theology and Reality Mangling sub units around the world.
It’s a ROMAN Catholic thing,
primarily.
The catholic ‘church’ has zero years of Christian anything, but centuries of satanic twaddle.
That sure appears to be the UNRUBBERIZED historical record.
. . . . with brief, slight pockets of exceptions here and there.
Mary gets more “air time” because Protestants insist on it.
"We define also that they should be kissed and that they are an object of honorable veneration, but not of real worship, which is reserved for Him Who is the subject of our faith and is proper for the divine nature."
Honorable veneration in Greek is "Tιμιτικι Προσκυνισις" and worship is "Λατρεία". They are, at least in Greek, entirely different concepts. At any rate, the Latin and Orthodox praxis regarding the Most Holy Theotokos is exactly the same, Tιμιτικι Προσκυνισις as opposed to Λατρεία.
Mary,
The poor pagan has no understanding of the word MYSTERY. The MYSTERY of the TRINITY, a core and universal concept common to 99% of Christians for 2,000+ years is a MYSTERY. And PNSN wants you to explain that to him. Sad.
Opusat-””Rev. James Anderson, Calvinist, btw, in 1723 wrote the definitive rules and Constitution for FreeMasonry, “The Constitutions of the Free Masons; containing the History, Charges, Regulations, &c. of that Most Ancient and Right Worshipful Fraternity. For the Use of the Lodges. London. In the year of Masonry 5723, Anno Domini 1723.”
Anderson was also Grand Warden of the Grand Lodge of London and Westminster. FreeMasonry and Presbyterianism have a long history of going hand-in-hand.
Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic Christian faith or any Christian faith. It’s syncretist; beyond heresy into paganism. Historically, one of Masonry’s primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church. But, it is not for that reason alone that the Church calls it destructive and soul deadening. It’s indifferentism by a great order.””
Your post is outstanding and it should be no surprise that the Church saw the evil it would lead to. It should also be no surprise that the USA is where we are at today because of freemasonry
Here is a little history from some very Holy Popes..
IN EMINENTI
ON FREEMASONRY
PAPAL BULL OF POPE CLEMENT XII
April 28, 1738
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Clem12/c15inemengl.htm
Now it has come to Our ears, and common gossip has made clear, that certain Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations or Conventicles called in the popular tongue Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons or by other names according to the various languages, are spreading far and wide and daily growing in strength; and men of any Religion or sect, satisfied with the appearance of natural probity, are joined together, according to their laws and the statutes laid down for them, by a strict and unbreakable bond which obliges them, both by an oath upon the Holy Bible and by a host of grievous punishment, to an inviolable silence about all that they do in secret together. But it is in the nature of crime to betray itself and to show itself by its attendant clamor. Thus these aforesaid Societies or Conventicles have caused in the minds of the faithful the greatest suspicion, and all prudent and upright men have passed the same judgment on them as being depraved and perverted. For if they were not doing evil they would not have so great a hatred of the light. Indeed, this rumor has grown to such proportions that in several countries these societies have been forbidden by the civil authorities as being against the public security, and for some time past have appeared to be prudently eliminated.
Therefore, bearing in mind the great harm which is often caused by such Societies or Conventicles not only to the peace of the temporal state but also to the well-being of souls, and realizing that they do not hold by either civil or canonical sanctions; and since We are taught by the divine word that it is the part of faithful servant and of the master of the Lord’s household to watch day and night lest such men as these break into the household like thieves, and like foxes seek to destroy the vineyard; in fact, to prevent the hearts of the simple being perverted, and the innocent secretly wounded by their arrows, and to block that broad road which could be opened to the uncorrected commission of sin and for the other just and reasonable motives known to Us;
QUO GRAVIORA
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION OF POPE LEO XII
March 13, 1826
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo12/l12quogr.htm
“A long time ago this Holy See, once these sects had been discovered, cried with a great and unbridled Voice against them, and exposed their plans, which had been devised secretly by them against Religion, indeed against civil society. Long ago it called forth the attentiveness of all, that they might beware lest it be allowed to these sects to attempt that which they were heinously contemplating. Indeed it must have grieved these endeavors of the Holy See not to have answered that destruction, which It was observing, and that wicked men had not desisted from their acknowledged plan; whence they at long last attained to those evils which We Ourselves have perceived; indeed, men whose arrogance has always mounted, have dared to begin new secret societies.
...And the very Prophetic words from Blessed Pope Leo XIII
DALL’ALTO DELL’APOSTOLICO SEGGIO
Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on October 15, 1890.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms1.htm
Freemasonry uses its impious and wicked action; and, as its action is widespread, so is this anti-Christian system widely applied. But the application becomes more speedy and general, and is pushed more to extremes, in countries where the government is more under the control of the sect and better promotes its interest.
the realization of the Masonic program. We see how much has already been realized; we know how much still remains to be done; and we can foresee with certainty that, so long as the destinies of Italy are in the hands of sectarian rulers or of men subject to the sects, the realization of the program will be pressed on, more or less rapidly according to circumstances, unto its complete development. — The action of the sects is at present directed to attain the following objects, according to the votes and resolutions passed in their most important assemblies, — votes and resolutions inspired throughout by a deadly hatred of the Church. The abolition in the schools of every kind of religious instruction, and the founding of institutions in which even girls are to be withdrawn from all clerical influence whatever it may be; because the State, which ought to be absolutely atheistic, has the inalienable right and duty to form the heart and the spirit of its citizens, and no school should exist apart from its inspiration and control. — The rigorous application of all laws now in force, which aim at securing the absolute independence of civil society from clerical influence. — The strict observance of laws suppressing religious corporations, and the employment of means to make them effectual. — The regulation of all ecclesiastical property, starting from the principle that its ownership belongs to the State, and its administration to the civil power. — The exclusion of every Catholic or clerical element from all public administrations, from pious works, hospitals, and schools, from the councils which govern the destinies of the country, from academical and other unions, from companies, committees, and families, — an exclusion from everything, everywhere, and forever.
More from Blessed Leo XIII
ON FREEMASONRY
CUSTODI DI QUELLA FEDE
Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on December 8, 1892
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms3.htm
Masonry has taken control of the public schools, leaving private schools, paternal schools, and those directed by zealous ecclesiastics and religious of both sexes to compete in the education of Christian youth. Christian parents especially should not entrust the education of their children to uncertain schools. Masonry has confiscated the inheritance of public charity; fill the void, then, with the treasure of private relief. It has placed pious works in the hands of its followers, so you should entrust those that depend on you to Catholic institutions. It opens and maintains houses of vice, leaving you to do what is possible to open and maintain shelters for honesty in danger. An anti-Christian press in religious and secular matters militates at its expense, so that your effort and money are required by the Catholic press. Masonry establishes societies of mutual help and credit unions for its partisans; you should do the same not only for your brothers but for all the indigent. This will show that true and sincere charity is the daughter of the One who makes the sun to rise and the rain to fall on the just man and sinner alike.
19. May this struggle between good and evil extend to everything, and may good prevail. Masonry holds frequent meetings to plan new ways to combat the Church, and you should hold them frequently to better agree on the means and order of defense. It multiplies its lodges, so that you should multiply Catholic clubs and parochial groups, promote charitable associations and prayer organizations, and maintain and increase the splendor of the temple of God. The sect, having nothing to fear, today shows its face to the light of day. You Italian Catholics should also make open profession of your faith and follow the example of your glorious ancestors who confessed their faith bravely before tyrants, torture, and death. What more? Does the sect try to enslave the Church and to put it at the feet of the state as a humble servant? You must then demand and claim for it the freedom and independence due it before the law. Does masonry seek to tear apart Catholic unity, sowing discord even in the clergy itself, arousing quarrels, fomenting strife, and inciting insubordination, revolt, and schism? By tightening the sacred bond of charity and obedience, you can thwart its plans, bring to naught its efforts, and disappoint its hopes. Be all of one heart and one mind, like the first Christians. Gathered around the See of Peter and united to your pastors, protect the supreme interests of Church and papacy, which are just as much the supreme interests of Italy and of all the Christian world. The Apostolic See has always been the inspirer and jealous guardian of Italian glory. Therefore, be Italians and Catholics, free and non-sectarian, faithful to the nation as well as to Christ and His visible Vicar. An anti-Christian and antipapal Italy would truly be opposed to the divine plan, and thus condemned to perish.
NOT AT ALL.
Thankfully, there’s been a decrease in the brazenly heretical THREAD TITLES daring Proddys to fuss.
However, the RC’s are quite persistent and eager in their spreading of the Maryolatry stuff 24/7 at the slightest excuse and without any excuse.
Absolutely!
But first, let me ask a third time: will you tell me what that Gospel — which you say is “exactly what the Holy Catholic Church teaches and has taught since Our Lord Founded her” — is? Or tell me that you are unwilling to tell me what it is? Or tell me that only a priest can tell me what it is?
Without a doubt. How quick they come to her defense (they think she needs), totally aghast that we won’t submit to the RCC’s deceptive teachings of Mary.
But have NO problem that they nullify God’s HOLY SPIRIT Inspired Word and Jesus, Who is The Word. The Word made flesh.
> “You don’t sound as if you believe He is God.”
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An obvious falsehood offered as a Strawman.
I rest my case.
.
INDEED.
I think it’s off to Hastings and some Chinese Chess, for me.
I’d have been quite happy to stay out of such issues until they got nasty toward
metmom, RNMomOf7 et al.
No hair splitting at all. Unless you are blinded by bigotry, fear or hatred.
The problem is this K - in Sacramental Christianity Worship starts with prayer and veneration, both of which can be shared with the rest of the Church, the Church Militant and the Church Triumphant. We can pray for each other, we can venerate those among us worthy of veneration and we can and do these worshipful acts towards God in all three of His Holy Persons.
What we also share is that ULTIMATE form of Worship that is reserved for the Triune God alone, the Holy Sacrifice of the Eucharist. That the splinter heretics call IDOLATRY and BLASPHEMY. It frightens them. They fear the Real Presence. From this fear comes the blindness and vitriol.
LOL, are you an immigrant that plain English troubles you?
For ANY definitions you want on faith, look to the Dogmatic teaching of the Church. No need for me to repeat them.
See http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm
Now, can you answer as clearly and succinctly?
FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE. FOR THE RECORD - YOU ARE ON IGNORE.
ROTFLMAO!
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