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To: mas cerveza por favor
They didn't "replace" anyone. They were already born into the family. The fact that their relationship with their brothers became strained because they obeyed Yeshua in bringing your ancestors into the household does not annul the brotherhood.

The problem is when the Gentile Christians forgot that it was they--not the Jews--who had been graciously adopted into a pre-existing family and began persecuting your adopted brothers for continuing to keep the household rules that had been established 1500 years before your ancestors knew there was only One God. It wasn't enough that you were (arguably, there are some debates to be had here but I won't go into them today) exempted from certain commandments--you jealously persecuted those who continued to keep them, calling them heretics. At that time, the "Hebrew Christians," were forced to either assimilate into what had become a Gentile culture in the churches or were forced out.

The moment Gentile Christians not only forced the Torah-observant Jewish believers from their midst but also declared yourselves to be the "true Israel," the term "replacement theology" became an accurate descriptor. You who call Judaizing Gentiles anathema proudly boast of Gentilizing Jews.

Dispensationalists may not fully understand their adopted status, but at least they acknowledge that the Father who adopted them still loves and will keep His promises to His firstborn son.

Shalom.

86 posted on 12/02/2010 9:28:04 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


88 posted on 12/02/2010 9:30:49 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Buggman

Your narrative of Gentiles stamping out Hebrew Christian Torah-observance may sound plausible because of historical situations of Jewish converts being caught in the crossfire between rabbinical Jews and Christians. However, the doctrines and practices of traditional Christianity were firmly established under the tutelage of the Jewish Apostles. It was Paul of Taurus who, not only criticized Greeks for Judaizing, but who castigated Peter himself for relapsing to the Mosaic dietary laws.

Anyway, that is entirely separate from Hagee’s denial that Christ came as reigning Messiah for the Jews. In the Gospels, John the Baptist, the Apostles, and Jesus Himself repeatedly testified to His coming as the Christ (also Messiah and Anointed One, which mean the same). The Messiah was prophesied to both suffer and reign when he came. No where does scripture support John Hagee’s teaching that He came first only to suffer, but would not reign until thousands of years later. Christ has reigned in the hearts of all Christendom for 2000 years and will continue to do so forever.


100 posted on 12/02/2010 10:43:30 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Buggman
Awesome, Buggman. Just awesome.

Thank you.

114 posted on 12/02/2010 2:37:02 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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