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To: mas cerveza por favor
However, the doctrines and practices of traditional Christianity were firmly established under the tutelage of the Jewish Apostles. It was Paul of Taurus who, not only criticized Greeks for Judaizing, but who castigated Peter himself for relapsing to the Mosaic dietary laws.

Your grasp of the New Testament is tainted by your Gentilization, I see. Where on earth did you get the idea that Peter withdrawing from table-fellowship with the Gentiles in Galatians had anything to do with the "Mosaic dietary laws"? As for Paul, if he himself wasn't keeping the Torah, then he was a liar and a purjurer when he claimed under oath before the Sanhedrin to still be a Pharisee (Acts 23:6)--read that, "Orthodox Jew." Why on earth do you pay attention to the writings of such a liar?

That, plus Acts 21, utterly destroys the basis for your anti-Judaic interpretation of Paul's letters. Either Paul was a hypocrite and a liar and should be expunged from the canon or you have grossly misinterpreted his writings. Paul was not saying that Jews should stop being Jews--he was defending the rights of Gentiles to remain Romans, Greeks, Americans, or whatever as followers of Israel's God and King.

But he never told any Jew not to continue keeping the Torah, circumcizing our sons, or following our traditions.

You and I agree that one who tells a Gentile that he must become a Jew in order to be saved is preaching another "gospel" and is anathema. What you fail to comprehend is that telling a Jew that they must become a Gentile in order to be saved is worse.

106 posted on 12/02/2010 11:33:29 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman
I see. Where on earth did you get the idea that Peter withdrawing from table-fellowship with the Gentiles in Galatians had anything to do with the "Mosaic dietary laws"?

There is no way that Peter, Barnabas, and Paul could have kept kosher while eating meals cooked by the Gentiles. Peter was inspired by divine revelation to brake kosher laws at the household of Cornelius.

As for Paul, if he himself wasn't keeping the Torah, then he was a liar and a purjurer when he claimed under oath before the Sanhedrin to still be a Pharisee (Acts 23:6)--read that, "Orthodox Jew." Why on earth do you pay attention to the writings of such a liar?

Not all Jews were Pharisees but Paul had been trained as one, as had his father. Paul was certainly a Jew and considered himself an orthodox follower of the Jewish Messiah.

You and I agree that one who tells a Gentile that he must become a Jew in order to be saved is preaching another "gospel" and is anathema. What you fail to comprehend is that telling a Jew that they must become a Gentile in order to be saved is worse.

The rules against Jewish converts maintaining Mosaic customs did not come until many centuries later. Therefore, they have no bearing on whether the Early Church founded by Jews could have "replaced" the Jews. The latter-day rules against Mosaic customs were established to guard against those who used baptism as a veneer, but did not really become followers of Jesus. Don't blame me for the hard sayings and teachings of Christianity. Jesus Himself had the most hard sayings of anybody. I am only trying to follow God's will.

110 posted on 12/02/2010 2:04:25 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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