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To: chesley; olezip
James was saying the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That if we have truly been saved, then the good works will follow. Not that they are necessary for salvation

Jesus Christ made it pretty clear that works ARE NECESSARY for salvation:

[31] And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

[41] Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. [42] For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. [43] I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. [44] Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? [45] Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

[46] And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
-- Matthew 25:31-46

You will notice here that both the saved and the damned seem surprised and not a single word is said about faith.

80 posted on 11/30/2010 11:54:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You will notice here that both the saved and the damned seem surprised and not a single word is said about faith.

Well said and quoted! Thank you!

82 posted on 11/30/2010 11:59:50 AM PST by olezip
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To: wagglebee

And as I said, the proof that someone is a Christian is that they start to do good. But it is not necessary. The Bible has to be interpreted as a whole, and the more specific verses determine the meaining of the less specific verses.

Otherwise, the interppretation resembles that of US judges who use the commerce clause to overrule every clause limited the federal goverminment.

I consider that the verses specifically stating that we are saved by faith, not works to be the more specific. Perhaps I am wrong and will have to answer to God one day. But perhaps you should consider if you are wrong, and have to do the same.


85 posted on 11/30/2010 12:12:04 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: wagglebee

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Works are a product of faith. To claim works as your salvation is to deny Jesus Christ as your Savior.

God Bless


105 posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:30 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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