NIV Bible Error Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV

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[bibletruth]

NIV Bible error - Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV. See Isaiah 14:12.

[Mad Dawg]

I am living my life backwards!

First I was an Episcopal priest.

Then we came to Virginia and I worked for two years in a real vineyard (and was told I was persnickety enough to make a good winemaker).

Then I was a shepherd.

Now I'm a Catholic; and I could have saved a lot of sturm und drang if I'd started there. But my work as vineyard laborer and shepherd opened up parts of Scripture as no amount of exegesis could do.

Mind you, the Jews did not realize that the same stuff that made dough rise also made wine ferment. If they did, it would mess up having wine at Passover, when all leaven is to be eschewed. I BELIEVE, but do not know, that to this day instead of pitching must with yeast they pitch with must from a previous vintage.

But it is the ubiquity of wild yeast that made fermented drink available at first, I suppose. I'm guessing mead first -- some guy comes across some honey diluted by rain and then fermented. He's desperate so he drinks some. He notices that suddenly a lot of women look really good, so he tries to repeat the experience.

Or one can imagine how the liquor from accidentally sprouted and rained upon grain might be drunk in similar desperation. And the stuff on the neanderthal big screen TV is suddenly less irritating.

The next day, when he's done with his hangover, he naturally says, "Hey, maybe we can do that again!"

Beer nuts are a later development.

[wagglebee]

Protestants and a lot of Catholics may not like to admit it, but the KJV and D-R are nearly identical throughout.

Up until about fifty years ago Latin was pretty much a required course in high schools and college and much of the learning involved translating from Latin to English (or whatever the student's native language was). If if a very good student were to translate the Vulgate into English without any other aid than a Latin-English dictionary, the result would be pretty much identical to the KJV or D-R.

[count-your-change]

Sorry, not a student of the classics, still trying to work out the humor of the Three Stooges, you see.

[Iscool]

And the older Greek NT texts were much better than the so-called Textus Receptus, which was, in part, invented by translating the Vulgate back into Greek, creating words that did not appear in koine Greek. In fact, the phrase "textus receptus" was an advertising blurb for a Greek NT that was hastily cobbled together out of late miniscule manuscripts, parts of the Vulgate, whatever Erasmus could get his hands on as quickly as he could to beat others to publication. The so-called "textus receptus" did not exist before it was crafted by Erasmus. It went on to underlie many different translations into other languages which is why, for example, the standard Spanish translation, the Reina-Valera, was so close to the KJV in the NT--both came from Erasmus's creation.

That doesn't correlate with any history of Erasmus or the Textus Receptus that I've ever read...

[Mad Dawg]

Lord God the Pope

Do you seriously maintain, seriously now, that Cronos, Campion, Natural Law, I, or any other Catholic on Free Republic thinks the Pope is God?

You might also want to look the concept of "vicar" (cognate word, "vicarious" - also "vice" as in "vice-president"). When Evangmlw claims to be exercising a watchman's function he is claiming to be, in a certain respect, a vicar of God, whether he knows it or not.

[Iscool]

Did you just make that up as you went along???

The simple FACT is that the Textus Receptus, Douay-Rheims AND the KJV are all little more than translations of the Vulgate

You are clueless...

and that Erasmus used the Vulgate wherever necessary to "fill in the blanks.

Nonsense...Erasmus corrected the Vulgate...

[ravenwolf]

You are forgetting the rest of the verse and taking that one verse out of context. The Pope does not exalt himself nor does he flaunt any superiority, Instead he is a servant, just as Christ was and is. Read onL

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Master, Reverend, Rabbi, Teacher, its all the same, Jesus says not to be called those and he says to call no man on earth father.

6 As for you, do not be called ‘Rabbi.’ You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers.

Do not be called ‘Master’; you have but one master, the Messiah.

These verses tells the disciples, not to be called Rabbi or master, so if i call them Rabbi or master, then would,nt i be calling them something they do not want to be called?

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt on the above, but if you read the whole thing you will see that it is not just to the disciples, read the first verse.

Matt 23 v 1
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Multitude means every one don,t it?

v 9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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The Pope does not exalt himself nor does he flaunt any superiority

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2
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

6
And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues

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Which seat is the pope sitting in? could it be St Peters seat?

And where does he sit at in the celebrations?

I think ST Peter would be amazed that the pope can do so many things that he was told not to do.

And you are right, every one should read the whole thing, it is not a riddle or mystery, out of a book that is kind of hard for me to comprehend, this chapter is pretty clear and to the point.

[Ransomed]

Love those 60’s Hanna Barbera action cartoons. My favorite of those are the Herculoids.

Freegards

[maryz]

I BELIEVE, but do not know, that to this day instead of pitching must with yeast they pitch with must from a previous vintage.

I thought the yeast on the grape skin was sufficient for fermentation. I grant that I know almost nothing about it -- mostly something in a Sam Levenson book where he describes his parents making wine for Passover; he only mentions their adding sugar and water. (Of course, he wasn't writing instructions -- just explaining how they came out with so much as his father kept adding sugar because it wasn't sweet enough and his mother kept adding water because it was too sweet!)

[wagglebee]

Did you just make that up as you went along???

Actually, all of my facts can be substantiated. I cannot recall the last time you posted any verifiable fact.

You are clueless...

Is it that you don't understand what a personal attack is or is it that you simply don't care?

Nonsense...Erasmus corrected the Vulgate...

Not quite. He gathered different translations to fix errors that had come in over time, his aim was to find the ORIGINAL Vulgate -- that is not a correction. He also updated some of the Latin, but never claimed that it was a correction.

[Iscool]

Woohoo -- I know a man who says that his reading of 30 odd years is better than a community of believers reading and studying and devoting their lives to the Bible for 2000 years! My community, my Church, WE learn from, WE learn together. It is never "I, I, I" like the sola MEo crowd.

Yer cracking me up...That's the same as saying evangmlw has been reading and studying for 2000years...Since you are counting from this generation back...

But lest's stay within the realm of honesty...After that 2000 1700 years, your religion has not studied enough bible to comment on hardly any of it...NO commentary...

The fact is, your religion for 1700 years or so has studied what was written by those before them, which was mostly your man made religious traditions while working to create new ones...

You guys can't find any prophecy in the scriptures...All the bible is to you guys is a history book, with funny stories that you don't believe...So it's no wonder that you don't understand enough of it to comment on it...

[Iscool]

Isn't it hilarious in this internet age for folks to spout such nonsense?

Internet won't help you find the originals...They don't exist...

[Mad Dawg]

The issue is that there are enough different strains of yeast that some can really affect the taste of the final product. I know mostly (but still not much) about ale and lager yeasts which act quite differently in the “wort”, and the books I had on beer making said that using regular bread yeast would give too bready a flavor.

So while there certainly is sufficient yeast on the skins, it’s still a good idea to get in there ‘fustest with the mostest” by pitching with powdered yeast or wine from an earlier vintage to dominate the yeast population. One is going for predictability.

[ravenwolf]

12. How have you fallen from heaven, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

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I probably agree with you

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Isaiah ch 14
12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

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It appears to me that God was not calling The king the ( son of the morning )but was only using the kings own words

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

So God was saying to the king, if you are what you think in your heart and you are going to be and do then why have you fallen? in other words lucifer was not the son of the morning, he was not the morning star, he was just trying to set him self up as the most high, as the shining one, which could be where the name Lucifer came from.

Note, i do not know any of this but it makes more sense than any thing else to me, and i don,t think there is enough evidence in the scriptures to actually prove this or anything else.

[mnehring]

I didn't say original documents, I said original language, ie Hebrew and Greek- both very easy to look up. I'm sure you can say that Concordances and other original language resources are flawed, but considering that many translations are based on those (even the KJV was translated from the Textus Receptus or Masoretic Hebrew that we have access to and are used for references like Strong's) then we would have to not trust any translation.

[maryz]

Thanks! I’ll keep that in mind should I decide to become a commercial vintner! ;-)

[ravenwolf]

As regards head covering, that the covering refers to simply hair is not as clear as we would like, much less “because of the angels

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Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

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All of the other versions which i have read says about the same thing, which backs up the king James version, but some of them contradict themselves in some of their own verses by agreeing with the K.J.V.

It is pretty simple, because if it were not simple i would not even be on the subject because it has to be pretty simple for me to even remotely understand.

Hair is given to women for a covering, they do not have to wear a veil or any thing, but if they cut their hair off or shave their head they need to cover their head, or in my language put a sack over their head.

[Mad Dawg]

You're right. We're nothing but status and power grubbing idolaters. It's time we admit it.

[Uri’el-2012]

You can disagree if you wish.

I cited Rashi and his 11th century
commentary on the verse in question.

Also note that the verse in the KJV
is very different from the original text.

It would seem that the KJV is someone's
commentary and is not to be trusted.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[ravenwolf]

So your entire argument on Matthew 23 “call no man father” rings of someone who may only know the English speaking world. In Poland for example we don’t call priests “Father”, so your argument fails

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So in your language how would father be interpreted? or what do you call the priests and what does it mean? any word translated from the scriptures would mean the same thing would,nt it? or do you read something else.

Also i would point out that i know nothing of Poland, but there are enough English speaking countries that i think is reason enough for that valid (what you call argument) which is not argument at all, but words of scripture.

I some times wish they were not there, but they are and there is nothing i can do about it.