NIV Bible Error Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV

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[bibletruth]

NIV Bible error - Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV. See Isaiah 14:12.

[evangmlw]

Your Post 109 To Me

"When I say kool-aid drinking, I mean that the web site reads as if only you and the members of this Rocky Creek Baptist Church are the only Christians on this planet and also the only ones who are going to Heaven."

The website clearly states that God has a remnant of true believers around the world. Doe it say many movements and denominations have polluted God's Word -- YES. That's true today and has been true throughout history. It's biblical and the Bible speaks of "a falling away," in the last days. We've been in the last days for 2,000 years now.

[American Constitutionalist]

I don’t put my trust in no man or church, I only trust God.

[Lil Flower]

No, it says join us and become a part of the remnant. It also says to come sense Gods presence among us.

[evangmlw]

Yes, I said “perhaps” He is. Would you advise you child to have steady diet at a restaurant you knew was lacing the food with cyanide? Why would God lead someone to a church that is teaching things that clearly violate Scripture? I spent 10 years in Pentecostal Churches, (saved, born-gain). I later left because of teachings that did not agree with the Scriptures. God led me out! Why? Because I could not fully enjoy His blessings while living in doctrinal error. Does that mean everybody in Pentecostal Churches are lost - NO. Is it possible that someone in the Catholic Church is saved - YES. Why? Because salvation is based on one’s relationship with Christ and Christ alone!

[evangmlw]

Well, God is present with His people wherever they are.

[Lil Flower]

Also go read the denominations it says to avoid. Lists everyone but Baptists. Those Methodists will be real dissapointed.

[Lil Flower]

So are God’s people only in Rocky Creek Baptist Church? What about other Baptists churches? Are God’s people there, too? What about Methodist churches or Catholic Churches? Are God’s people there?

[evangmlw]

The church can save no one! No church can! Churches are bodies of believers. There are local churches on street corners and there is a universal church made up of all truly born-gain believers. There are people who sit in Baptist churches every week who are lost and on their way to hell! Why, because their faith is in the church rather than Christ.

[Lil Flower]

But God led me out of the Baptist church and into the Catholic Church so I could have Jesus and the Gospel in it’s Fullness!

[Lil Flower]

**Is it possible that someone in the Catholic Church is saved - YES**

Not according to your churches website.

[evangmlw]

No, God’s people are not only in Rocky Creek Baptist Church. God’s people are all over the world, in the millions I’m sure. I’m sure there are born-again Christians somewhere in a Methodist or Catholic Church. With that said, they ought to leave and find a Bible-believing, Bible-teaching, Bible-preaching church. Most Methodist Churches are not teaching God’s Word; the Catholic church is not teaching God’s Word either.

[AndrewC]

I assume you own the Codex Sinaiticus.

I doubt that he does, but here is the verse extracted from the Codex, followed by the Revelation verse.

Isaiah 14:12:

πωϲ εξεπεϲεν εκ του ουρανου ο εωϲ φοροϲ ο πρωϊ ανα τελλων ˙ ϲυνετρι βη ειϲ την γην · α ποϲτελλων ειϲ

I see heaven, early rising, and morning light in there.

Revelation 22:16

φιλων ψευδοϲ ε γω ιϲ επεμψα το αγγελον μου μαρ τυρηϲαι ϋμιν ταυ τα επι ταιϲ εκκλη ϲιαιϲ εγω ειμι η ριζα και το γενοϲ δαδ ο αϲτηρ ο λαμ προϲ ο πρωϊνοϲ

I see philon(friends), aster(star) in there, but none of the relevant words contained in the Isaiah verse. The problem is when you translate the words to the same words in another language, you allow the superficial argument of equality. Such as this...

http://muslim-responses.com/Lucifer/Lucifer__

JESUS EQUATES HIMSELF WITH LUCIFER!

by Ibn Anwar

 

 

I hope the title is not too offensive to my Christian readers. It is merely a reflection of the understanding that I have gathered from the verses which I shall present in this brief article. I wish the readers a pleasant journey....

The guy may be terribly wrong, but a lot of Muslims will accept his argument.

[evangmlw]

The Holy Spirit will never lead someone contrary to the Written Word of God. The Spirit and the Word always agree.

[Lil Flower]

When was the last time you spent alot of time in a Catholic church or a Methodist Church? And based on your churches website, I would argue strongly that they don’t teach all of the Truth, either. Maybe you should find a church that teaches Biblical truth. One that isn’t so cult-like.

[Lil Flower]

**The Holy Spirit will never lead someone contrary to the Written Word of God. The Spirit and the Word always agree.**

So are you now claiming that God did not lead me to the Catholic church?

[evangmlw]

Is it possible for someone in the Catholic church to be saved — YES. Is it possible for someone to be saved by what the Catholic church teaches - NO. If someone in the Catholic church is saved, they are saved because they belived the Gospel according to Jesus Christ, not the gospel according to the Catholic church. The Catholic church is not teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ as given in the Word of God. They are teaching “another gospel.” I hope this clarifies — goodnight, I must get to bed.

[irishtenor]

***But ? if your saved, why then ? ( not knocking anyone’s church or denomination ) would anyone would want to stay in a spiritually dead, non biblical cold church ?***

I am sure that there are a multitude of reasons, such as family issues, cultural issues, location (there might not be a more exceptable option), etc.

[evangmlw]

Not the God of the Bible that I have come to know, He loves you too much; howvever, the “god of this world” may have led you there via his deception ways. He is a master at imitating the “Spirt of God.” He does come “as an angel of light” according to Paul. He led me astray on many occasions until I became saturated with God’s Word and His Spirit.

[American Constitutionalist]

Those who are saved, or Born Again, are the " remnant " of God saved from out of this world.
It has nothing to do with what church or denomination you belong to.
Another word that can be used instead of " remnant " is being set apart for God, that is one of the connotations of the word ( Holy ).
Holy is being set apart for God's use.
However, the only one who can or could make us Holy is Jesus Christ.
For the moment we are born again, Jesus Christ makes us Holy as far as in the legal standing with God is concerned.
However ? all of us know that we are still human and struggle with our human flesh and this current world.
The Apostle Paul talked about this in length in the book of Romans in the latter part of chapter 7.
Paul went on to say :

( 24. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. ) ...

Did not ? Paul ever say that he was the " Chief of sinners " ?


Then, Paul goes on into chapter 8 and says this :

1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


When Paul is talking about:
" who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit " some would go on and say that Paul is talking about those who sin in the flesh,
but ?
Listen to what Paul says in verse 3 " For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: "
Then ? in serve 4 Paul says :
" That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. "
Paul is saying that the law was weak in that the law can not save any man from their sins.
Paul goes on in verse 6 and says " 6. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. "

To be carnally minded is living in the flesh, thinking as a man would think, believing as mankind would believe in how they mankind by his own merits can come to GOD, or make himself right in the sight of God.
To be carnally minded is trying to justify yourself through the law, by living by the law, trying to come to God in the flesh, and not in the spirit by faith through Christ.
When you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and trust that he is your redeemer and Savior, you, yourself have fulfilled the law, you have meet all the righteous requirements of the law.
God's righteous demands are satisfied when you are in Christ.
Some would say, but, but, but, but ? :
" that does not give us a right to sin ! "
OF COURSE NOT !!!!
We must and should live a God honoring life that pleases him, but, since God has already judged our sins, he does not hold our sins against us, we are his own, his children, we stand justified legally in the sight of God through our LORD Jesus Christ only.

[daniel1212]

Depends which ones you listen to. Officially evangelical type churches are not considered ‘churches’ in the proper sense,” Dominus Iesus, 2000), though they are considered separated brethren as long as they baptized and are ignorant that Rome is the one true church, which she declares she is, but which requires submission to her to be assured of.