[Quix]

I’d rather you remain in good health while such silly notions of yours bite the dust wholesale.

The best Pentecostal/Charismatic churches I’ve been a part of and/or aware of have been indistinguishable from Acts 2.

imho, Your biases are a poor foundation for or description of truth.

It is also a brazenly erroneous notion that Non-Pentecostal groups AVOID emotional manipulations; ritual manipulations; group-think manipulations; !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! OF MAN manipulations; bias manipulations; pseudo-tidy-box manipulations etc.

EVERY congregation I’ve ever visited or observed up close—including Pentecostal, Lutheran, So Bap, Episcopal etc. demonstrated some such emotional and other manipulations to some greater or lesser degree. Some were outragrously worse than the worst of Pentecostalism.

It’s just that the labels, white wash and models of such are different.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***The best Pentecostal/Charismatic churches I’ve been a part of and/or aware of have been indistinguishable from Acts 2.**

You mean the preacher preaches in his common language and the foreigners in the audience hears in their own language?

How does that work with the Spanish and Navajo non English speakers?

If a Pentecostal Navajo spoke in his own language would you hear in English? That is what happened in Acts 2.

Which type of Pentecostal are you? Trinitarian or Oneness (Jesus Only) Pentecostal? Each claims the “only true” pentecostal church even though both claim to speak in “tongues”, and the Oneness Penecostals claim that if you are not ONENESS you are not saved.

[the_conscience]

It is also a brazenly erroneous notion that Non-Pentecostal groups AVOID emotional manipulations; ritual manipulations; group-think manipulations; !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! OF MAN manipulations; bias manipulations; pseudo-tidy-box manipulations etc.

Perhaps one of the worst forms of manipulation and control is that of the Cultural Christian kind that crosses denominational lines thinking that a form of morality enacted through legislation will produce a regenerate nation.

[Cronos]

The best Pentecostal/Charismatic churches I’ve been a part of and/or aware of have been indistinguishable from Acts 2.

The problem may be for some that the not-so-good seem to stand out.

[Cronos]

on another note -- has anyone ever tried baking pork in beer (Guiness or another stout)? I tried it years ago in Wales and the taste was delicious. I tried it again yesterday and while it was good, it wasn't quite so special. I just used garlic, salt and pepper and oregano for seasoning and marinated the pork for an hour and cooked in the oven at 350 F for about 1.5 hours.

Any tips, anyone?