[the_conscience]

I thought you might find some agreement with Quix in this which is why I pinged you.

The Bible speaks of refraining from quenching the Holy Spirit.

But it also speaks of proving all things.

But Quix made some pretty strong statement such as:

Scripture indicates the Spirit is subject to the individual in such matters

and

the individual is still a sovereign individual in terms of his own body and faculties

And Quix didn't just write that one must be open to such but that one should practice making unintelligible sounds to bring on the Holy Spirit.

If the case was made that the Holy Spirit was sovereign in bringing on these signs yet only with the acceptance of the person to whom it was offered that then would nullify any pagan inference. But as I read it, one should practice making these sounds because the HS is obligated to respond, which sounds pagan to me.

[Quix]

See my above long post.

Holy Spirit is exceedingly sovereign. NO ONE manipulates Him.

[Cronos]

But look here -- we read those sentences differently, I did not read Quix's statement as saying that the Holy Spirit is subject to an individual. I read it as the Holy Spirit for some reason allows us the freedom to deny it -- even though it could take control of us without any regard for us (which, as insignificant beings we don't deserve)

It's a difference in perception