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1 COR 14 reads as “For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. “ —> what’s wrong with that? I don’t understand your post.


108 posted on 11/24/2010 3:41:26 AM PST by Cronos (Matt 24:13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved)
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I COR 14:

18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21 In the Law it is written:

“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”[e]

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

Good Order in Worship
26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.
29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[g]

36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.[h]

39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

Footnotes:
a.1 Corinthians 14:2 Or in another language; also in verses 4, 13, 14, 19, 26 and 27
b.1 Corinthians 14:5 Or in other languages; also in verses 6, 18, 22, 23 and 39
c.1 Corinthians 14:5 Or in other languages; also in verses 6, 18, 22, 23 and 39
d.1 Corinthians 14:16 The Greek word for inquirer is a technical term for someone not fully initiated into a religion; also in verses 23 and 24.
e.1 Corinthians 14:21 Isaiah 28:11,12
f.1 Corinthians 14:34 Or peace. As in all the congregations of the Lord’s people, women
g.1 Corinthians 14:35 In a few manuscripts these verses come after verse 40.
h.1 Corinthians 14:38 Some manuscripts But anyone who is ignorant of this will be ignorant

—NIV


THE MESSAGE VERSION:

18-19I’m grateful to God for the gift of praying in tongues that he gives us for praising him, which leads to wonderful intimacies we enjoy with him. I enter into this as much or more than any of you. But when I’m in a church assembled for worship, I’d rather say five words that everyone can understand and learn from than say ten thousand that sound to others like gibberish.

20-25To be perfectly frank, I’m getting exasperated with your infantile thinking. How long before you grow up and use your head—your adult head? It’s all right to have a childlike unfamiliarity with evil; a simple no is all that’s needed there. But there’s far more to saying yes to something. Only mature and well-exercised intelligence can save you from falling into gullibility. It’s written in Scripture that God said,

In strange tongues
and from the mouths of strangers
I will preach to this people,
but they’ll neither listen nor believe.
So where does it get you, all this speaking in tongues no one understands? It doesn’t help believers, and it only gives unbelievers something to gawk at. Plain truth-speaking, on the other hand, goes straight to the heart of believers and doesn’t get in the way of unbelievers. If you come together as a congregation and some unbelieving outsiders walk in on you as you’re all praying in tongues, unintelligible to each other and to them, won’t they assume you’ve taken leave of your senses and get out of there as fast as they can? But if some unbelieving outsiders walk in on a service where people are speaking out God’s truth, the plain words will bring them up against the truth and probe their hearts. Before you know it, they’re going to be on their faces before God, recognizing that God is among you.

26-33So here’s what I want you to do. When you gather for worship, each one of you be prepared with something that will be useful for all: Sing a hymn, teach a lesson, tell a story, lead a prayer, provide an insight. If prayers are offered in tongues, two or three’s the limit, and then only if someone is present who can interpret what you’re saying. Otherwise, keep it between God and yourself. And no more than two or three speakers at a meeting, with the rest of you listening and taking it to heart. Take your turn, no one person taking over. Then each speaker gets a chance to say something special from God, and you all learn from each other. If you choose to speak, you’re also responsible for how and when you speak. When we worship the right way, God doesn’t stir us up into confusion; he brings us into harmony. This goes for all the churches—no exceptions.

34-36Wives must not disrupt worship, talking when they should be listening, asking questions that could more appropriately be asked of their husbands at home. God’s Book of the law guides our manners and customs here. Wives have no license to use the time of worship for unwarranted speaking. Do you—both women and men—imagine that you’re a sacred oracle determining what’s right and wrong? Do you think everything revolves around you?

37-38If any one of you thinks God has something for you to say or has inspired you to do something, pay close attention to what I have written. This is the way the Master wants it. If you won’t play by these rules, God can’t use you. Sorry.

39-40Three things, then, to sum this up: When you speak forth God’s truth, speak your heart out. Don’t tell people how they should or shouldn’t pray when they’re praying in tongues that you don’t understand. Be courteous and considerate in everything.

The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson


NEW AMERICAN STANDARD VERS:

18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

19however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Instruction for the Church
20(AD)Brethren, (AE)do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil (AF)be infants, but in your thinking be mature.
21In (AG)the Law it is written, “(AH)BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME,” says the Lord.

22So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but (AI)prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

23Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that (AJ)you are mad?

24But if all (AK)prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is (AL)convicted by all, he is called to account by all;

25(AM)the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will (AN)fall on his face and worship God, (AO)declaring that God is certainly among you.

26(AP)What is the outcome then, (AQ)brethren? When you assemble, (AR)each one has a (AS)psalm, has a (AT)teaching, has a (AU)revelation, has a (AV)tongue, has an (AW)interpretation Let (AX)all things be done for edification.

27If anyone speaks in a (AY)tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must (AZ)interpret;

28but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.

29Let two or three (BA)prophets speak, and let the others (BB)pass judgment.

30But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent.

31For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted;

32and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;

33for God is not a God of (BC)confusion but of peace, as in (BD)all the churches of the (BE)saints.

34The women are to (BF)keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but (BG)are to subject themselves, just as (BH)the Law also says.

35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

36Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?

37(BI)If anyone thinks he is a prophet or (BJ)spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you (BK)are the Lord’s commandment.

38But if anyone does not recognize this, he [a]is not recognized.

39Therefore, my brethren, (BL)desire earnestly to (BM)prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.

40But (BN)all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.

Footnotes:
a.1 Corinthians 14:38 Two early mss read is not to be recognized
Cross references:
A.1 Corinthians 14:1 : 1 Cor 16:14
B.1 Corinthians 14:1 : 1 Cor 12:31; 14:39
C.1 Corinthians 14:1 : 1 Cor 12:1
D.1 Corinthians 14:1 : 1 Cor 13:2
E.1 Corinthians 14:2 : Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; 14:18-ff
F.1 Corinthians 14:2 : 1 Cor 13:2
G.1 Corinthians 14:3 : Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:5, 12, 17, 26
H.1 Corinthians 14:3 : Acts 4:36
I.1 Corinthians 14:4 : Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; 14:18-ff, 26
J.1 Corinthians 14:4 : Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:5, 12, 17, 26
K.1 Corinthians 14:4 : 1 Cor 13:2
L.1 Corinthians 14:4 : Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:5, 12, 17, 26
M.1 Corinthians 14:5 : Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; 14:18-ff, 26
N.1 Corinthians 14:5 : Num 11:29
O.1 Corinthians 14:5 : Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; 14:18-ff, 26
P.1 Corinthians 14:5 : Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:4, 12, 17, 26
Q.1 Corinthians 14:6 : 1 Cor 14:26; Eph 1:17
R.1 Corinthians 14:6 : 1 Cor 12:8
S.1 Corinthians 14:6 : 1 Cor 13:2
T.1 Corinthians 14:6 : Acts 2:42; Rom 6:17; 1 Cor 14:26
U.1 Corinthians 14:8 : Num 10:9; Jer 4:19; Ezek 33:3-6; Joel 2:1
V.1 Corinthians 14:9 : 1 Cor 9:26
W.1 Corinthians 14:11 : Acts 28:2
X.1 Corinthians 14:12 : Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:4, 5, 17, 26
Y.1 Corinthians 14:15 : Acts 21:22; 1 Cor 14:26
Z.1 Corinthians 14:15 : Eph 5:19; Col 3:16
AA.1 Corinthians 14:16 : Deut 27:15-26; 1 Chr 16:36; Neh 5:13; 8:6; Ps 106:48; Jer 11:5; 28:6; Rev 5:14; 7:12
AB.1 Corinthians 14:16 : Matt 15:36
AC.1 Corinthians 14:17 : Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:4, 5, 12, 26
AD.1 Corinthians 14:20 : Rom 1:13
AE.1 Corinthians 14:20 : Eph 4:14; Heb 5:12
AF.1 Corinthians 14:20 : Ps 131:2; Matt 18:3; Rom 16:19; 1 Pet 2:2
AG.1 Corinthians 14:21 : John 10:34; 1 Cor 14:34
AH.1 Corinthians 14:21 : Is 28:11
AI.1 Corinthians 14:22 : 1 Cor 14:1
AJ.1 Corinthians 14:23 : Acts 2:13
AK.1 Corinthians 14:24 : 1 Cor 14:1
AL.1 Corinthians 14:24 : John 16:8
AM.1 Corinthians 14:25 : John 4:19
AN.1 Corinthians 14:25 : Luke 17:16
AO.1 Corinthians 14:25 : Is 45:14; Dan 2:47; Zech 8:23; Acts 4:13
AP.1 Corinthians 14:26 : 1 Cor 14:15
AQ.1 Corinthians 14:26 : Rom 1:13
AR.1 Corinthians 14:26 : 1 Cor 12:8-10
AS.1 Corinthians 14:26 : Eph 5:19
AT.1 Corinthians 14:26 : 1 Cor 14:6
AU.1 Corinthians 14:26 : 1 Cor 14:6
AV.1 Corinthians 14:26 : 1 Cor 14:2
AW.1 Corinthians 14:26 : 1 Cor 12:10; 14:5, 13, 27
AX.1 Corinthians 14:26 : Rom 14:19
AY.1 Corinthians 14:27 : 1 Cor 14:2
AZ.1 Corinthians 14:27 : 1 Cor 12:10; 14:5, 13, 26-ff
BA.1 Corinthians 14:29 : 1 Cor 13:2; 14:32, 37
BB.1 Corinthians 14:29 : 1 Cor 12:10
BC.1 Corinthians 14:33 : 1 Cor 14:40
BD.1 Corinthians 14:33 : 1 Cor 4:17; 7:17
BE.1 Corinthians 14:33 : Acts 9:13
BF.1 Corinthians 14:34 : 1 Cor 11:5, 13
BG.1 Corinthians 14:34 : 1 Tim 2:11; 1 Pet 3:1
BH.1 Corinthians 14:34 : 1 Cor 14:21
BI.1 Corinthians 14:37 : 2 Cor 10:7
BJ.1 Corinthians 14:37 : 1 Cor 2:15
BK.1 Corinthians 14:37 : 1 John 4:6
BL.1 Corinthians 14:39 : 1 Cor 12:31
BM.1 Corinthians 14:39 : 1 Cor 13:2; 14:1
BN.1 Corinthians 14:40 : 1 Cor 14:33
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation


125 posted on 11/24/2010 9:09:39 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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