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Crystal Cathedral had its day
The Guardian ^ | Nov. 5, 2010 | Harriet Baber

Posted on 11/12/2010 10:13:27 PM PST by hiho hiho

On 18 October 2010, Southern California's landmark Crystal Cathedral, the prototype of all late 20th Century American Megachurches, filed for bankruptcy. I drove up the following Sunday to get a look at the place while it was still in operation.

The Crystal Cathedral proper, a spectacular glass structure designed by Philip Johnson and completed in 1980, dominates a landscaped campus that includes the congregation's original church building, designed by Richard Neutra, Richard Meier's "Welcoming Center", and a variety of other buildings, reflecting pools and religiously themed statuary. A German tourist prevailed on me to take a picture of him and his wife posing in a larger-than-life tableau of Jesus as Good Shepherd.

The campus and decor are the culmination of a high-church revival in American Protestantism that began in the 19th century. It was then that evangelical Christians, who had traditionally assembled in meeting houses and preaching halls, constructed faux-Gothic edifices, dressed their preachers in gowns, and "beautified" their services, exchanging tedium for vulgarity. By the mid-20th century, they had appropriated all the "potent symbols of cinema secularism" theologian Reinhold Niebuhr described in his rendition of an evangelical Easter service conducted, as was not uncommon, in a movie theatre:

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I thought religion was a window into heaven, into another world of power, glory and intensity, to the contemplation of divine beauty. When I got religion, I never imagined this flat, dull evangelicalism.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: christians; crystalcathedral; evangelicals; megachurch; socal
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To: kosta50

it seems they spent too much money on the pastor, his son and four daughters. I dunno how many rolls royces they had though..


41 posted on 11/13/2010 12:57:41 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Cronos
These extremes lead to errors

What leads to error is veering from The Truth, HIS Word - where Truth resides. Satan always comes to steal the Word. And these churches obliged him.

Praise and Worship, Hearing The Word, Fellowship with Our Father. And we can do this because JESUS finished it ALL! It's the straight and narrow path untainted by man.
42 posted on 11/13/2010 12:59:01 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Cronos; kosta50

Right, they squander the money on the things of this life that have no eternal value. IIRC, that welcome center in the pix above is newly built and perhaps got into MORE debt over that. But they sold property, the article stated for $55M and they are still in major debt.

I didn’t complete the article. Did it say if that property is for sale?


43 posted on 11/13/2010 1:06:59 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Cronos

The Dutch Reformed Church remained the largest church body in the Netherlands until the middle of the 20th century, when it was overtaken by the Roman Catholic Church.

The rapid secularization of the Netherlands in the 1960s dramatically reduced participation in the mainstream Protestant church.


44 posted on 11/13/2010 1:12:23 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name

Exactly — but most of those who do veer, don’t intend to do so —> for example, here the Dutch Reformed thought that their austerity and stripped down places of worship were correct, but that was one extreme. This led to the other extreme — namely that of over-indulgence.


45 posted on 11/13/2010 1:15:18 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: hiho hiho
There was nothing Christian about that monstrosity.
46 posted on 11/13/2010 1:21:25 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: presently no screen name
True, the article goes on to say
But there is nothing new under the sun. Saddleback and the Crystal Cathedral, Willow Creek and all the other evangelical megachurches that have had their time in the sun sell the same product: mind-power through talk-magic, which in secular packaging is just what all the innumerable therapies and self-help programmes on the market promise

Twelve-step programmes, beginning with Alcoholics Anonymous, appropriated the conversion scenario of revivalism, eliminating references to Jesus in favour of appeals to a generic "higher power". Later self-help programmes and therapies dispensed with supernatural intermediaries altogether. Learning the right tricks and gimmicks, thinking the right thoughts and acquiring the proper attitudes would directly, by a law of nature, make good things happen for you

Schuller, Warren and other new-style evangelical preachers, who focus on this-worldly improvement rather than otherworldly salvation, have not sold out Christianity in favour of secular self-help. They have simply reappropriated those bits of evangelical Christianity that cycled through the secularisation process and emerged as therapies, having in the process acquired the veneer of science.


47 posted on 11/13/2010 1:22:45 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Cronos
but most of those who do veer, don’t intend to do so

Totally agree. That's why God's Word is important and one must be grounded in it. Deception doesn't come in with a bang, it slithers like a snake.
48 posted on 11/13/2010 1:30:37 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Cronos

Back to ‘man’ again. Their way instead of God’s Way. It’s the same old thing, just change the names. Deception comes in when The Word is allowed out.

God’s Word/His Way never changes. His Church never changes.
His church is His Body and each member of His Body has the Holy Spirit. They are the ‘temple/church’ of the Holy Spirit.

So churches can and will go bankrupt - but HIS CHURCH never will. He doesn’t live in buildings but in HIS children.


49 posted on 11/13/2010 1:40:43 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Lancey Howard

It looks a little bit like a church. Not like that $100-million cement plant Roger Dodger built.


50 posted on 11/13/2010 1:50:11 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: hiho hiho

Schuller has those gigantic old-man ears, but a teeny little pointed nose. I have always thought he must have had surgery on his nose.


51 posted on 11/13/2010 1:54:26 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: hiho hiho

Maybe some Muslims will buy the buildings and start another mosque.


52 posted on 11/13/2010 2:10:48 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: hiho hiho

I hope and pray that in all of the thousands that have passed through this place’s doors, there were some who were comfported, some who were healed and some who did find FAITH.


53 posted on 11/13/2010 2:52:08 AM PST by SES1066 (Thank you for your vote in November, now let us get to work!)
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To: guerito1

I always thought Dr. Schuller was a very good man. He gave an uplifting, forgiving and positive interpretation of Christianity that enabled a lot of people to drag themselves out of depression and negativity. In this way, he was totally unlike the current lords of the mainline Protestant churches, who are really liberal politicians with a pulpit. In his heyday, Sculler attracted tens of thousands to Christianity. But, then again, unlike the Guardian and many of his critics (apparently) the man had human faults.


54 posted on 11/13/2010 4:12:57 AM PST by laconic
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To: presently no screen name

So I suppose the same must be said about Westminster Abbey, St. Peter’s, the Duomo in Milan and St. Isaac’s in St. Petersburg — all massive megalith wastes of money that could have been better spent elsewhere. Sorry, i see them the same way I see the Crystal Cathedral - a building created by man to glorify God with soaring spires, grand internal spaces and architectural artwork telling us humans that there are better things that the mundane to worship and aspire to.


55 posted on 11/13/2010 4:20:10 AM PST by laconic
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To: guerito1
Hey, isn't the cathedral right around the corner from Disneyland?

CC

56 posted on 11/13/2010 5:00:00 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Video, toto! infundibulus nimbus est!)
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To: hiho hiho
I remember trying to understand why anyone listened to Schuller. For several years, I kept waiting for him to say something from or about "Jesus", but it didn't happen. It was all stupid anecdotes and positive thinking baloney.

The Crystal Cathedral was the perfect building for this goofiness: Gaudy, transparent, and bankrupt.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

57 posted on 11/13/2010 5:15:09 AM PST by The Comedian (Time and tide wait for no man. But who needs a bad magazine and cheap soap?)
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To: Cronos
I was told that many Protestants associate opulance with "being blessed" and "showing God's favor," which explains some minister's extravagant life-styles.

In some Chrsitian communities, showing off wealth is associated with being in "God's favor." Opulent ministers are seen as "credible" since it's difficult to argue with success, especially if it (supposedly) comes from God.

Protestants seem to conveniently "forget" or choose to ingore "socialist" parts of the New Testament speak negatively of the rich.

It really sasy a lot about these self-rigtheous sects of the Deformation that, on the one hand, stripped churches of their artistic decor dedicated to God, and turned their "churches" into naked rooms, while going to the other extreme to embellish their own homes and lives with weath and opulance.

As Fr. George observed in a in a homily, in a small Greek Orthodox church in Lynchburg, Va.: "God gives in abundance and we give him only crumbs."

Lutheran cathedral in Iceland

A picture is worth a thousand words.

compared to the Roman Catholic Basiclica in St. Louis, Missouri

or this cathedral in Moscow, Russia.


58 posted on 11/13/2010 7:04:39 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: latina4dubya
"amen! give me an old, run-down barn... that would work just fine!"

George Whitefield launched the Great Awakening from fields and cow pastures.

59 posted on 11/13/2010 8:10:03 AM PST by circlecity
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To: presently no screen name
Why do they wear gowns? Are they affiliated with some denomination or is this their own creation?

My understanding is, Reformed Church in America.

A gown is not an unknown or unusual thing, except in American evangelicalism.

60 posted on 11/13/2010 8:12:33 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("Bad eschatology drives out good.")
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