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To: RJR_fan
No true Christian can fail to support Israel, for it is the embodiment of God's will for Jews. If you doubt this, I suggest you read the Bible very closely.
Is Israel perfect? Of course not, but what political entity is perfect?
Now, Israel may have been founded by individuals whose political orientation leaned toward socialism, but those individuals are long gone. The Israeli economy and body politic has undergone an enormous transformation and evolution since the War of Independence, but that is to be expected, as states who embrace democracy always evolve and change. And more change can be expected.
Indeed, it is Israel's opponents who have failed to change. For the most part they are still the state directed autocracies they were when they became independent.
Of course, Muslims are human beings. Who has denied that?
Focus for evangelism - wonderful phrase, but one for the most part that is devoid of realistic thinking. It would be wonderful if Muslims were to embrace Christianity, but mass conversion is very unlikely. Islam is demonically inspired religion and as such has a violent and potent grip on Muslims. They will not be persuaded to abandon the faith easily. Such an act would take a miracle that is beyond human capacity.
Muslims as pawns - if anyone has shuffled Muslims around a chessboard it is other Muslims. They have exploited and manipulated other Muslims since the founding of the faith. Palestinians could have easily been absorbed into Jordan, as its population is already majority Palestinian, but every Arab/Muslim state refused the opportunity. Now, we are faced with a large, disaffected Palestinian population that squats in Gaza and the West Bank with no prospects and no hope, except for the rather forlorn (at least until Obama became president) hope that the US will force Israel to relinquish some of its historic homeland.
Muslim states refused to accommodate Israel for many reasons but mostly for reasons of pride, the most deadly of sins. They could not bring themselves to admit that a despised minority, the Jews, were capable of reestablishing a national homeland in a area considered to be a Muslim religious trust. Muslims have created a violent situation and now wish someone else to solve it for them.
5 posted on 11/07/2010 7:52:40 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: quadrant
No true Christian can fail to support Israel, for it is the embodiment of God's will for Jews.

False. One may have geopolitical reasons for supporting modern Israel, but it is sin against truth to say there is a Christian obligation to do so. "Christian" Zionism is the Nineteenth Century invention of John Darby taken up by charlatans such as John Scofield and John Hagee. The worldly doctrine is entirely dependent upon novel interpretation of opaque prophesy and is directly contradicted by the clear teachings of the Gospels and Epistles.

7 posted on 11/07/2010 9:10:58 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: quadrant
It would be wonderful if Muslims were to embrace Christianity, but mass conversion is very unlikely. Islam is demonically inspired religion and as such has a violent and potent grip on Muslims. They will not be persuaded to abandon the faith easily. Such an act would take a miracle that is beyond human capacity.

I hope you will join me in praying for exactly that miracle. Before The Wall came down, Soviet Communism looked unassailable, and the "smart" people in the West were constantly cutting secret deals with perceived winning side. Whittaker Chambers felt, when he left The Party, that he'd joined the losing side. Yet, almost overnight, a whole worldview shattered. I was in Ukraine in 1992, and those folks were devastated that the whole justification for their disciplined, sacrificial lives was discredited. They were also eager to hear the Gospel.

Pending such a miracle, I take joy in the progress the Gospel is making today in Iran. More Persians have come to Christ there since 1980 than in the thousand years before. Islam depends on a series of cultural and linguistic firewalls -- but information technology is breaching those.

Meanwhile, millions of the best and brightest young people from Muslim nations are pursuing American degrees. Most are eager to make American friends -- but only 10% or so will see the inside of an American home. Since God has brought them halfway around the world, why not go halfway across town? English is a weird language, and coaching / editing from us can be a career lifeline for them.

13 posted on 11/07/2010 11:11:45 AM PST by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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