Replies

I sense you don’t believe that Israel (Jews) are still Gods chosen people and will once again be dealt with on an individual (as a nation) basis during the Tribulation period. Romans 11 specifically deals with that and explicitly says that the Jews, ie Israel, will be again dealt with as it says “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” Once God determines that the end of the time for the Gentiles has come He will again, for a period of seven years, deal with the Jews as a nation.

Those Jews who follow Christ are still Gods chosen people. Those who once again become faithful, like the Old Testament remnant, will rejoin Gods chosen people. Those who reject Christ are "broken off" from the tree. This is the clear teaching of Romans 11. Is it not?

How could Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and all Protestant denominations prior to John Darby got this simple teaching wrong?

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people" (1Peter 2:9)

>> Those who reject Christ are "broken off" from the tree. This is the clear teaching of Romans 11. Is it not?<<

Actually not totally true as I understand what you’re meaning. The Jews who today reject Jesus will again be given that chance during the Tribulation period. According to prophecy there will be 144,000 who are saved “till the end”.

Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.[See here that they are now blind to the truth “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” After the Rapture of the Gentile Church (and of course the Jews who have accepted Jesus)]

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:[This will happen during the Tribulation.

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Those Jews who follow Christ are still Gods chosen people. Those who once again become faithful, like the Old Testament remnant, will rejoin Gods chosen people. Those who reject Christ are "broken off" from the tree. This is the clear teaching of Romans 11. Is it not?

Nope...God's chosen people is never a reference to the 'church'...It is always a reference to Israel...

The times of the Gentiles...What is the times of the Gentiles???

God turned away from Israel, the Jews...Salvation is of the Jews...To provoke jealousy, God offered salvation to the Gentiles...That is us...It is the 'times of the Gentiles'...The Jewish nation has been cut off from the trunk of the tree...

When God is done with the Gentiles, there will be no more adoption into the body of Jesus Christ...That's when the times of the Gentiles will have been fulfilled...

Does the scripture say that Israel will at some point be grafted back into the branches of the tree??? I don't believe it does...

If individual Jews stop their unbelief, they will individually be grafted back into the tree...And in that tree are no Jews nor Gentiles...

But when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, the tree is done growing...No one gets back into the tree after that...

The tree then, is harvested...At that point, we are headed home...Not to Israel in the Middle East...We have no interest in a piece of dirt...Our home is in heavenly places...

At THAT point, God turns His attention back to his chosen people, Israel...At that point, God says Israel will accept Him as their Messiah and all of Israel shall be saved...At that point, the promises given to Israel will be realized, including the land promises...

I don't know Darby or Schofield...Haven't read their stuff...But I do read the bible and I have found these things in the scripture and without any preconceived ideas of what my religion tells me to believe, I am free to believe what God says in the scriptures...