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To: Benchim

“Look here sir! There are hundreds of religions in this country, and the followers of some think theirs is the only right one. How can poor, plain men like us find out what really is the truth?”

We generally reply something like this. “Hundreds of religions you say? That is strange; I’ve heard of only two.”

“Oh, but surely you know there are more than that?”

“Not at all, sir, I find, I admit, many shades of differences in the opinions of those compromising the two great schools; but after all there are but two. The one covers all who expect salvation by DOING; the other, all who have been saved BY SOMETHING DONE. So you see the question is very simple. Can you save yourself, or must you be saved by another? If you can be your own saviour, you do not need to listen. If you cannot, you may well want to learn about Jesus Christ and the message of the cross.

-Modified from H.A. Ironside


17 posted on 11/06/2010 5:37:57 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Excellent post!

"So you see the question is very simple. Can you save yourself, or must you be saved by another? If you can be your own saviour, you do not need to listen. If you cannot, you may well want to learn about Jesus Christ and the message of the cross."

19 posted on 11/06/2010 5:43:31 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; greyfoxx39; MHGinTN; All
...after all there are but two. The one covers all who expect salvation by DOING; the other, all who have been saved BY SOMETHING DONE. So you see the question is very simple. Can you save yourself, or must you be saved by another? If you can be your own saviour, you do not need to listen. If you cannot, you may well want to learn about Jesus Christ and the message of the cross. -Modified from H.A. Ironside

I agree with GF...excellent framing by Ironside.

It reminded me of an Idaho pastor who has an outreach to Mormons. Late last year (Dec. 27, 2009) Idaho pastor Mark Cares said in an Idaho newspaper: "The teachings of Mormonism cause people to despair because they have so much TO DO." (Idaho Statesman)

Lds promote that they are "children of God" and that we are heirs. But heirs don't have to boast some long "to DO" checklist to become heirs -- they simply are to BE children of God.

Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death [or did you think you could become an heir & gain a "testimony" only by His life???] and by His ensuing gift to me...NOT an heir based upon...
...my works,
...my obedience,
...my self-promotional worthiness,
...my commandment-keeping,
...my bishop-graded temple recommend,
...my Word-of-wisdom keeping,
...my exaltation checklist,
...who I marry,
...if I marry,
...and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on... ..me
...or as if all my good works were primarily or unconsciously done to boomering back on my bootstraps to kick me into divinity...
...rather than simply to love the One I serve.

LDS: Be free from legalism!

Join us in concluding that you could never do all you could do -- including love as Jesus loves -- in order to coax God's grace to eventually kick in (2 Nephi 25:23)

(Join us in trying to stop manipulating how God thinks about you -- He already knows us perfectly -- and a temple recommend checklist is mere religiosity -- not a relationship with the true Jesus)

Do you rejoice with the truth that he who believes in Jesus HAS eternal life -- not just WILL have -- but has it NOW? (John 3:36; 5:24; 17:3; 1 John 5:10-13).

22 posted on 11/06/2010 5:55:57 PM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The NAIL has met the HAMMER!


51 posted on 11/07/2010 4:44:55 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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