YUK! Mormons aren't the Lord's servants. Another fallacy.
Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...
It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).
LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:
"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:
"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:
"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:
"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)
LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:
"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).
LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:
"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)
LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:
"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:
"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).
As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:
"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]
Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:
"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]
LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:
"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).
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What the Bible Says About God
1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.
"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12
"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6
"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25
The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.
2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.
"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4
"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9
"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17
"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142
The LDS god achieved holiness.
3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.
"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28
"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5
The LDS god had to learn everything.
4. ALL POWERFUL
"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6
"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20
The LDS god attained his power.
5. OMNIPRESENT
"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1
"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24
The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.
6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION
"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24
"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6
"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6
The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.
7. NO OTHER GODS
"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9
"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8
The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.
For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:
Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science
YUK! Mormons aren't the Lord's servants. Another fallacy.
Uhm, Nope again.
Did you not post the following to me?
Restornu pinged me here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2622457/posts?page=732#732
You still never bothered to answer any of the questions posed.
Uhm, Nope again.
Did you not post the following to me?
Restornu pinged me here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2622457/posts?page=732#732
You still never bothered to answer any of the questions posed.
Vendome
this is very confusing I thought I had made clear I am no proxy!
So now when you cant beat me, you are dissing my ancestors who cant post back to you and defend tthemselves ???
I do know they spent their lives worshipping the LORD Jesus Christ in a Christian Church and taught their children about Jesus dying on the Cross and shedding His blood there to save us...
I do know that I was taught to read from my gg grandfathers big Christian Bible..
I do know they died for their Christian belief in the LORD Jesus Christ or fled from their homeland, their Christian bibles baked into loaves of bread...
I have Walloons, Huguesnots, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Roman Catholics and Jews...
Plus a few atheists but its too late for them...the decission to accept the LOPRD Jesus Christ as Savior MUST be dont while we are alive...dead is too late...
I do know my ancestors who were Christians either helped build Christian Churches or gave money to buy the land or donated the land...
and so I do know that they lived lives dedicated to God...
I do know that they would have ex-communicated the pagan Joeyt Smith liker the Presbyterian Church did when he started treying to teach polygamy and evil lies about God...
My ancestors were people of Christian conscience...
now about your mormon ancestors, Resty...
Have you gone to the mormon temple and been proxy dead dunked for them yet ???
What, you dont care about them ???
Like I said you have no clue what your ancestors have choosen to do and who knows maybe your atheists saw the light.:)
You post nearly 24/7....And seeing that...I think you ought to donate.
Do you?
A yes or no, will do.
And don't give me this..."It's none of my business"...
I'm just asking a simple question.
And I happen to think....that you are a FReeploader if you DON'T!
Nope.
You enlisted 1010RD as your proxy.
?????
You have no clue what your ancestors ....what has been taught them by the Lord’s servants!:)
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Resty my ancestors read and believed the same Christian Bible I do...
They were taught by the LORD’s servants the same things I was taught...
the LORD’s servants namely ...
Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Ezra, Nehemiah, esther, Job, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephasniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Pater, James, Jude...
and the LORD Jesus Christ Himself...
are you still at it LOL
Glad to hear it they also teach the same things as the LDS!:)
they were never part of the Tradition of Men nor ran around with the Reader’s Digest version they have the unabridged edition.
Actually I laugh at that...and the first thing I think...is you are lying.
Why do I think that.....restornu?
You have no malice towards....Christian FReepers..or just Christians in general? Yes, or no.
Be careful here....because your words have been recorded.
I await your answer..........
Like I said you have no clue what your ancestors have choosen to do
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EWhy dont you forgewt about my long dead ancestors for whom it is too late anyway if they wertent saved...
(although they were much closer to God than the pagen Joey Smith ever was...)
And start worrying about your own lost soul...
Resty you atre going to die one day...
and unless you repent of your sins and are saved by the shed Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ...
you will be damned and go to Hell...
Its futile for you to be so concerned about my long dead ancestors who could care less about your mockery when your own everlasting future is in peril...
Nope.
You enlisted as your proxy.
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How so, are you the anti LDS proxy?
I am beganning to think the whole bunch of you are loony tunes!
I think you are a Freeploader. ( A poster here that posts hundreds of posts...but gives nothing to FR. Because I think you are thin skinned, and I happen to think, you think you are being wronged here....)
Tell me I'm wrong.
That's an excellent lesson for ALL the mormons who spend millions of man hours thinking that the dead souls they are performing proxy work for will convert in the hereafter....it says a lot for a religion that they can't be satisfied with sending out thousands and thousands of missionaries on this earth, but think they have to swell their numbers with the dead when more and more of the living are rejecting their lies. It IS a lesson in futility!
Glad to hear it they also teach the same things as the LDS!:)
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No Resty...
My ancestors were fortunate in that they never had to contend with the awful foul pornographic man’s traditions religion of mormonism...
Its me and my generation that are stuck with the fight against the demonic forces behind Joey Smith’s home made unBiblical Satan inspired cultish beliefs...
Well I will skip your diatribe and accept your concern as genuine!
I feel the same way those caught up and run into stumbling blocks here on earth will have an opportunity.
I know my Lord and saviors is fair and just and that those who are His will hear the truth and be saved
they were never part of the Tradition of Men
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Thats right...
Most of my ancestors were dead before the heretic Joey Smith was ever born...
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