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To: OLD REGGIE; metmom; annalex
No, see Old Reg, you don't get it. They aren't saying we are saved by "works of the law" but it's by "good deeds". Of course, the problem then is aren't the Ten Commandments part of "The Law"? By that thinking, I guess God says go ahead and steal, lie, murder, etc. - since that stuff is under "The Law", and as long as you do good deeds, you will be okay. See?

They do have to then explain what the following verse means under that kind of logic:

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

5,542 posted on 12/17/2010 10:47:05 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; OLD REGGIE
They aren't saying we are saved by "works of the law" but it's by "good deeds". Of course, the problem then is aren't the Ten Commandments part of "The Law"? By that thinking, I guess God says go ahead and steal, lie, murder, etc. - since that stuff is under "The Law", and as long as you do good deeds, you will be okay. See?

That which we call a rose by any other name.....

5,554 posted on 12/18/2010 5:53:30 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: boatbums; OLD REGGIE
They aren't saying we are saved by "works of the law" but it's by "good deeds". Of course, the problem then is aren't the Ten Commandments part of "The Law"? By that thinking, I guess God says go ahead and steal, lie, murder, etc. - since that stuff is under "The Law", and as long as you do good deeds, you will be okay. See?

I guess that's how they can justify claiming that the Mafia and hit men are *good Catholics* and honor them with Catholic funerals when they die, just like they did with Kennedy.

5,555 posted on 12/18/2010 5:54:54 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: boatbums; OLD REGGIE; metmom
They aren't saying we are saved by "works of the law" but it's by "good deeds".

Correct, thank you for noticing this important distinction.

Of course, the problem then is aren't the Ten Commandments part of "The Law"? By that thinking, I guess God says go ahead and steal, lie, murder, etc. - since that stuff is under "The Law", and as long as you do good deeds, you will be okay

We don't obey the Ten Commandments because they are Jewish law, but rather because Jesus repeated them (most of them) to us, expanded them and explained them (Mt 5-7). Not stealing, etc. is a good idea and violating the Ten Commandments is a sin, but you are not saved by merely obeying them as law.

what the following verse means under that kind of logic: Titus 3:5

"ουκ εξ εργων των εν δικαιοσυνη", -- not by the works of justice -- explains the same principle. You are nto saved by obeying law but by "exceling in good works" (Titus 3:8).

6,272 posted on 12/30/2010 4:22:04 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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