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To: MarkBsnr; Lera
The Church knows of no man who can journey to salvation without Jesus; yet it acknowledges that God has the final word on who is to be saved. It was a good try on your part, I will say. Next time, either read through the relevant verses, or look them up in order to put the bleatings of your preacher into context and we shall have more meaningful discussion.

Perhaps Lera HAS read through more than the "relevant" verses and relies upon the words of Jesus himself, you know GOD - the one who "has the final word", although I'm sure whoever her pastor is, he doesn't bleat (don't sheep do that?). Jesus said most forcefully, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". It sure seems like God has already given his final word on the subject. Who are we to think we need to more meaningfully discuss it?

4,979 posted on 12/07/2010 9:31:09 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; Lera
Perhaps Lera HAS read through more than the "relevant" verses and relies upon the words of Jesus himself, you know GOD - the one who "has the final word", although I'm sure whoever her pastor is, he doesn't bleat (don't sheep do that?). Jesus said most forcefully, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". It sure seems like God has already given his final word on the subject. Who are we to think we need to more meaningfully discuss it?

I have seen far too many bleating pastors; the Catechism is very clear on the matter; she did not post it in her reply; the fact of the matter is that the Church has been taught about Christ and that while there may be other paths to salvation, we do not know of or are qualified to even consider them. Yet salvation is of the Lord and He has the final say. I'm sure that Lera needs defense and is quite grateful to have you step in as her own personal F. Lee Bailey.

5,013 posted on 12/08/2010 5:52:07 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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