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To: getoffmylawn
This post is a perfect example of just how difficult it is to sincerely explain what is in one's heart. I know I have failed miserably :)

I think you did a pretty good job...

What I don't get is how can you believe some of the scriptures are true but not all...How could you believe any of it is true??? Perhaps the parts you don't believe are actually true, and the parts you believe are not true...

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Seems to me that if we follow Jesus and are in Jesus, we will know whether the scriptures are true or not...

3,319 posted on 11/26/2010 7:56:07 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Seems to me that if we follow Jesus and are in Jesus, we will know whether the scriptures are true or not...

The scriptures are secondary to teachings of Christ that were passed on via his Apostles. Christ picked 12 Apostles. They and their successors made up the early Church. The Apostles traveled and spread what was taught to them. Those Apostles passed their learning onto the next generation of Apostles. Those are the first Bishops of the Church. Those Bishops passed on the teachings of Christ to another generation of Bishops. Eventually all the Bishops got together and compared notes to make sure they were on the same page. Once they all came to a consensus, the Church was Orthodox and Catholic.

In the meantime they were all lugging around writings that to varying degrees reflected what these Bishops believed. It only makes sense they'd also try to come up with a unified collection of these writings that would reflect what their unified faith was.

The faith can be found in those writings, but not all of it. That would be impossible. Christ wandered and taught for 3 years. The collection of writings that is today considered to be "The Bible" could not possibly contain all Christ taught in those 3 years. That's why Apostolic Succession is so much more vital to the Church than the collection of writings they gathered together they considered inspired by the God they believed in. Once you remove the Bible from the teachings of the Apostles and their successors, you're left with very complex book full of contradictions and distortions made by men.

That big committee of Bishops chose those scriptures. If we trust the Holy Spirit was with them when they chose the books, we can trust these same men knew how to decipher what was vital in those writings and what wasn't.

How can we possibly trust these guys to pick the correct scriptures, and then just ignore their interpretations of theses same scriptures when it comes to their interpretation? Make up your mind. Either the Holy Spirit was never with these guys, or if he was with them, he certainly didn't abandon them. If the Holy Spirit did abandon the Bishops of the Orthodox Catholic Church, when did that happen?

3,321 posted on 11/26/2010 8:24:55 PM PST by getoffmylawn (aka R.P. McMurphy)
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To: Iscool; getoffmylawn
From Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy

In our affirmation of the authority of Scripture as involving its total truth, we are consciously standing with Christ and His apostles, indeed with the whole Bible and with the main stream of Church history from the first days until very recently. We are concerned at the casual, inadvertent, and seemingly thoughtless way in which a belief of such far-reaching importance has been given up by so many in our day.

We are conscious too that great and grave confusion results from ceasing to maintain the total truth of the Bible whose authority one professes to acknowledge. The result of taking this step is that the Bible which God gave loses its authority, and what has authority instead is a Bible reduced in content according to the demands of one's critical reasonings and in principle reducible still further once one has started. This means that at bottom independent reason now has authority, as opposed to Scriptural teaching. If this is not seen and if for the time being basic evangelical doctrines are still held, persons denying the full truth of Scripture may claim an evangelical identity while methodologically they have moved away from the evangelical principle of knowledge to an unstable subjectivism, and will find it hard not to move further.

3,323 posted on 11/26/2010 8:59:25 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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