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It is a poor assumption by Catholic theologians to say that Satan would be the receiver of such a payment. That would be like saying Abraham was sacrificing Isaac to Satan. Rather, I would suggest, the payment needed to be made to God the Father.

Right. This is what the Church teaches but you appeared to be advocating the Satan speculation made by some of the Fathers when you said "I'll stick with the early church fathers on this one thank you."

My, my. You sure had to go back far enough. I doubt if Irenus would believe that the Pope is the authoritarian spokeperson of the Church today. The Orthodox certainly don't.

Before the split, all Eastern councils rejected by the Pope were considered invalid by the Eastern Christians.

Yes, but that was when the Church was in it's infancy. But towards the end of his life, Augustine got the message of the gospel. His Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints was a primary mover in my Reformed views (as well as influencing Calvin, Luther and others).

LOL. Protestants tried to hijack the good name of Augustine but that does not mean he approved to them. They were highly selective of Augustine's writings. If those Protestants really admired St. Augustine, they would have remained faithfully Catholic like the good bishop.

The Church does not teach this [sic: homosexuality is a sin].
In one place you tell me that homosexuality isn't a sin

You misquote me. Of course the Church teaches homosexuality is a sin

[HarleyD]

Right. This is what the Church teaches ...

I posted what New Advent tells us of the Atonement and what the Catholic Church teaches. It teaches that:

As both Abelard and Bernard remind us, the Atonement is the work of love. It is essentially a sacrifice, the one supreme sacrifice of which the rest were but types and figures. New Advent-Doctrine of Atonement

This is simply not what the scriptures tells us. The Atonement isn't a "type" or "figure". It is an actual atonement of our Lord's perfect blood being spilled on our sinful behalf to pay for our penalty of sin. This is what the early western fathers taught.

Why this is important is that you will find this new Catholic view of the Atonement to be more in line with the Orthodox view. The Roman Catholic Church changed centuries of teaching by the western fathers to align their views of the atonement to the eastern church view.

Before the split, all Eastern councils rejected by the Pope were considered invalid by the Eastern Christians.

That doesn't change the fact that Orthodox do not look upon the Pope as "infallible". They believe in a conclave of several leaders of the Church arriving at consensus. They consider the Pope to be one leader of many. Now either the Orthodox view is wrong or the Catholic doctrine that says the Pope is infallible is wrong. You can't have it both ways.

Protestants tried to hijack the good name of Augustine but that does not mean he approved to them. They were highly selective of Augustine's writings.

Read through "A Treatise of Predestination of the Saints" and tell me if you agree with Augustine's conclusions. I do.

You misquote me. Of course the Church teaches homosexuality is a sin

Then why does the Church allow homosexual priests to stay in the clergy?

[OLD REGGIE]

You misquote me. Of course the Church teaches homosexuality is a sin

Well, it might dance around the subject but the word "sin" is absent from this dance.