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...but traces the development of reasoning on why Satan WAS NOT the receiver of the payment. Are you saying that Satan WAS receiver of the payment?

It is a poor assumption by Catholic theologians to say that Satan would be the receiver of such a payment. That would be like saying Abraham was sacrificing Isaac to Satan. Rather, I would suggest, the payment needed to be made to God the Father.

St. Irenus did. He was an Eastern Christian.

My, my. You sure had to go back far enough. I doubt if Irenus would believe that the Pope is the authoritarian spokeperson of the Church today. The Orthodox certainly don't.

Augustine's support of Church doctrine in his times attests to his general support since those doctrines have not and will never change.

Yes, but that was when the Church was in it's infancy. But towards the end of his life, Augustine got the message of the gospel. His Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints was a primary mover in my Reformed views (as well as influencing Calvin, Luther and others).

The Church does not teach this [sic: homosexuality is a sin]. If you indulge lust in your mind, that is a sin. ....Even though some Church human institutions have been temporarily infiltrated by homosexuals, her divinely guided against the sin...

In one place you tell me that homosexuality isn't a sin and then in another you say it is.

Sounds to me rather clear.
2,267 posted on 11/16/2010 5:28:19 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
It is a poor assumption by Catholic theologians to say that Satan would be the receiver of such a payment. That would be like saying Abraham was sacrificing Isaac to Satan. Rather, I would suggest, the payment needed to be made to God the Father.

Right. This is what the Church teaches but you appeared to be advocating the Satan speculation made by some of the Fathers when you said "I'll stick with the early church fathers on this one thank you."

My, my. You sure had to go back far enough. I doubt if Irenus would believe that the Pope is the authoritarian spokeperson of the Church today. The Orthodox certainly don't.

Before the split, all Eastern councils rejected by the Pope were considered invalid by the Eastern Christians.

Yes, but that was when the Church was in it's infancy. But towards the end of his life, Augustine got the message of the gospel. His Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints was a primary mover in my Reformed views (as well as influencing Calvin, Luther and others).

LOL. Protestants tried to hijack the good name of Augustine but that does not mean he approved to them. They were highly selective of Augustine's writings. If those Protestants really admired St. Augustine, they would have remained faithfully Catholic like the good bishop.

The Church does not teach this [sic: homosexuality is a sin].
In one place you tell me that homosexuality isn't a sin

You misquote me. Of course the Church teaches homosexuality is a sin

2,301 posted on 11/16/2010 9:18:34 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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