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To: bkaycee; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; ...
That is a Messianic Psalm, that is, it has application to Messiah Jesus. This is clear since this Psalm is quoted in the New Testament (Jn. 2:17) and shown there to apply to the Lord. The point is: Jesus became "an alien to MY OWN MOTHER'S SONS." This alienation is clearly evident at John 7:3-5. Before we look at that passage, please note that Scripture explicitly declares that Jesus' mother (Mary) had other "sons" (Psalm 69:8)!

The "other" children of the Blessed Mother is THE CHURCH. Our Lord made His mother OUR mother on the Cross (see John 19:26-27). Christians know this, members of gnostic sects do not.

1,941 posted on 11/15/2010 8:42:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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1,953 posted on 11/15/2010 8:57:47 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wagglebee; bkaycee; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
That is a Messianic Psalm, that is, it has application to Messiah Jesus. This is clear since this Psalm is quoted in the New Testament (Jn. 2:17) and shown there to apply to the Lord. The point is: Jesus became "an alien to MY OWN MOTHER'S SONS." This alienation is clearly evident at John 7:3-5. Before we look at that passage, please note that Scripture explicitly declares that Jesus' mother (Mary) had other "sons" (Psalm 69:8)!

Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother’s sons.

The "other" children of the Blessed Mother is THE CHURCH. Our Lord made His mother OUR mother on the Cross (see John 19:26-27).

Think that one through. The church. He became an a stranger to the CHURCH and an alien to the CHURCH?

The ones who He says do His will in Matthew and Mark thus becoming what He calls His brothers and sisters?

That interpretation of Psalms makes NO sense with the meaning of brothers and sisters being the church. It only makes sense with biological children.

I can see it now. Jesus is the oldest who knew no sin.

The other kids are fighting and Mary says in an exasperated voice, *Why can't you be more like Jesus?*

I'll bet that went over real well. It sure would explain their attitude in the Gospels.

2,029 posted on 11/15/2010 11:05:35 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee; bkaycee
The "other" children of the Blessed Mother is THE CHURCH. Our Lord made His mother OUR mother on the Cross (see John 19:26-27). Christians know this, members of gnostic sects do not.

So Christ commits incest?

Jesus placed his mother in the care of John ...he NEVER made her the mother of His bride..

2,036 posted on 11/15/2010 11:13:23 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: wagglebee

“”The “other” children of the Blessed Mother is THE CHURCH. Our Lord made His mother OUR mother on the Cross (see John 19:26-27). Christians know this, members of gnostic sects do not.””

Exactly! This is what historical Christianity always knew.

From THE PATRISTIC PRAISE OF MARY
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/fr90203.htm

Mary as Mother of the Church

Since Christ is Head of his Mystical Body, the Church, it follows that Mary, mother of Christ, is also mother of that body. As we have seen, the early Church Fathers called Mary the new Eve, in that as Eve was our mother by physical generation, so Mary is our mother by spiritual regeneration, in virtue of her Divine Son’s redemption of humanity. In the second century, St. Irenaeus commented that “the Word will become flesh, and the Son of God the son of man—the Pure One opening purely that pure womb, which generates men unto God.” St. Epiphanius remarked, “True it is . . . the whole race of man upon earth was born of Eve; but in reality it is from Mary that Life was truly born to the world, so that by giving birth to the Living One, Mary might also become the Mother of all the living.” St. Augustine summarized, “The Mother of the Head, in bearing Him corporally became spiritually the Mother of all members of this Divine Head.”

With regard to Mary’s intercessory role on behalf of the members of the Body of Christ, St. Irenaeus remarked, “He who is devout to the Virgin Mother will certainly never be lost.” St. Augustine addresses Mary, “Through you do the miserable obtain mercy, the ungracious grace, and the weak strength.” St. Jerome wrote, “Mary not only comes to us when called, but even spontaneously advances to meet us.” St. Basil the Great (379 A.D.), bishop of Caesarea, declared, “God has ordained that she should assist us in everything!” St. John Damascene prayed, “O Mother of God, if I place my confidence in you, I shall be saved. If I am under your protection, I have nothing to fear, for the fact of being your client is the possession of a certainty of salvation, which God grants only to those whom He intends to save.” St. Ephraem beseeches Mary, “O Lady, cease not to watch over us; preserve and guard us under the wings of your compassion and mercy, for, after God, we have no hope but in you!” St. Fulgentius (533 A.D.), bishop of Ruspe, stated, “Mary is the ladder of heaven; for by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by her men might ascend from earth to Heaven.” Pope St. Leo the Great (461 A.D.) observed, “Mary is so endued with feelings of compassion, that she not only deserves to be called merciful, but even mercy itself.”


2,051 posted on 11/15/2010 12:26:14 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: wagglebee; Quix; RnMomof7
Friends:

Please don't ping me, if it's not an inconvenience for me to ask, to these controversial threads any more.

What I observe is that they lead to a deadening of reason and a weakening of charity.

Quix: anyone who thinks that a picture of a horse appearing to laugh (however funny -- and it's pretty funny, the first few dozen times) is, as you say, a logical response to anything doesn't use the word "logic" as it has been used by philosophers and theologians for most of the past 2,400 years.

Very nearly every one of us here will be judged on the last day by the words of the 4th Chapter of Paul's (beautiful) Letter to the Ephesians. And very nearly everyone will be accused, not by angels or saints, not even by the Judge Himself, but by those who have lost their souls because we made Christianity, made Christ Himself repulsive to them -- and ourselves repulsive to one another.

We are invited, instead to "lead a life worth of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Is there anyone on these interminable threads who does not stand convicted by these words?

2,085 posted on 11/15/2010 2:04:07 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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