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To: bkaycee; metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change
Luke 7:48

But note that the woman did by her works express her love for Jesus. Jesus in fact, gently rebukes His host in that very passage for not showing enough kindness through good works. In this beautiful episode we have the heart of Catholic soteriology: penance expressed in good works of love for Our Lord and combined with a resolution to sin no more.

We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved

Exactly. We are saved by grace alone, as every pope since St. Peter taught.

Rom 4:4

Indeed, works done for compensation do not save. Works of self-denial done for the love of God and the neighbor save. See the Mary Magdalene episode that you yourself quoted.

1,824 posted on 11/14/2010 1:49:22 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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annalex wrote:
“Indeed, works done for compensation do not save. Works of self-denial done for the love of God and the neighbor save.”

I can just imagine one of the experts in the law putting this formula to Jesus ...

I can just imagine one of the Galatians arguing this point with Paul ...

What you have said here is simply New Testament pharisaism. How unutterably sad.


1,830 posted on 11/14/2010 2:23:18 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: annalex

annalex wrote:
“Indeed, works done for compensation do not save. Works of self-denial done for the love of God and the neighbor save.”

I can just imagine one of the experts in the law putting this formula to Jesus ...

I can just imagine one of the Galatians arguing this point with Paul ...

What you have said here is simply New Testament pharisaism. How unutterably sad.


1,831 posted on 11/14/2010 2:23:20 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: annalex

annalex wrote:
“Indeed, works done for compensation do not save. Works of self-denial done for the love of God and the neighbor save.”

I can just imagine one of the experts in the law putting this formula to Jesus ...

I can just imagine one of the Galatians arguing this point with Paul ...

What you have said here is simply New Testament pharisaism. How unutterably sad.


1,832 posted on 11/14/2010 2:23:20 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: annalex

annalex wrote:
“Indeed, works done for compensation do not save. Works of self-denial done for the love of God and the neighbor save.”

I can just imagine one of the experts in the law putting this formula to Jesus ...

I can just imagine one of the Galatians arguing this point with Paul ...

What you have said here is simply New Testament pharisaism. How unutterably sad.


1,833 posted on 11/14/2010 2:23:20 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
Indeed, works done for compensation do not save. Works of self-denial done for the love of God and the neighbor save. See the Mary Magdalene episode that you yourself quoted.

Chapter and verse?

How many works? How do you know you did them with the right motive? That you did the right ones? That you've done enough?

Can you be sure that your motive is pure and that underlying your works isn't the thought that the works might be those that will get you saved, thus immediately negating them by them becoming works done for compensation (that compensation being heaven or a shorter term in purgatory)?

1,840 posted on 11/14/2010 3:54:21 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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