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Could you point us to the infallible teachings on Jesus's teachings on apostolic succession, the papacy, immaculate conception, assumption, 7 sacraments...etc.. I am interested in their infallible roots

Yes, but first it is necessary to establish a general criteria for determining whether a teaching comes from Jesus. If we cannot do that, it is pointless to argue over particular teachings. Without such discipline, one can pick whatever teaching strikes his fancy.

In addition to being God, Jesus was a real human being of history just like Julius Caesar or George Washington. The Bible record of His teachings obviously did not fall from heaven, but was written and compiled by inspired men in the context of history. An heretical NT canon was first proposed in 140 AD but the Bible did not take its present form until the Forth Century. During this period, the Church had grown to include most peoples of southern Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.

Many heresies had arisen but were successfully refuted in a series of doctrinal Church councils. The worst of the early heresies was Arianism which denied the godhood of Christ. St. Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria, Egypt, almost single-handedly defeated Arianism. In the process, he made the final adjustments to the NT canon to ensure that all its parts were in complete agreement with Church orthodoxy.

Scripture says that the Apostles built the Church based upon the teachings of Christ and the inspiration of Holy Spirit. The Bible is quite clear that it does not contain all of Christ's teachings but enjoins that Christians hold fast to the written and spoken Apostolic traditions. Are we on the same page so far?

[RnMomof7]

Yes, but first it is necessary to establish a general criteria for determining whether a teaching comes from Jesus. If we cannot do that, it is pointless to argue over particular teachings. Without such discipline, one can pick whatever teaching strikes his fancy.

I think it is quite easy to determine if an INFALLIBLE teaching came from Christ and not fallible men... is it a directive found in the scriptures

Anything other than that is not an INFALLIBLE teaching it is a teaching subject to human error.

In order for one to say that there is infallible teaching outside of Scripture God would have told us who, when and where they are found..

So can we agree that the scriptures are the place where the church gets its authority ? As such what authority did God grant to the church ...

The bible contains all that is needed for godly living, salvation and rebuke. We can not make doctrine from silence ...because of the possibility of human error..

So lets start there.. Where did Christ teach apostolic succession? And the infallibility of the church ?

[metmom]

Yes, but first it is necessary to establish a general criteria for determining whether a teaching comes from Jesus. If we cannot do that, it is pointless to argue over particular teachings. Without such discipline, one can pick whatever teaching strikes his fancy.

That's REALLY funny coming from a Catholic....

You mean like the perpetual virginity of Mary, her alleged immaculate conception, her bodily assumption, praying to her, praying to saints, holy water, .....?

Where did Jesus teach about ANY of that stuff?

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The Bible record of His teachings obviously did not fall from heaven,

Let's see what Jesus has to say to YOU about that.....

John 14:10 "Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? THE WORDS I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work.