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To: mas cerveza por favor; metmom
Yes, but first it is necessary to establish a general criteria for determining whether a teaching comes from Jesus. If we cannot do that, it is pointless to argue over particular teachings. Without such discipline, one can pick whatever teaching strikes his fancy.

I think it is quite easy to determine if an INFALLIBLE teaching came from Christ and not fallible men... is it a directive found in the scriptures

Anything other than that is not an INFALLIBLE teaching it is a teaching subject to human error.

In order for one to say that there is infallible teaching outside of Scripture God would have told us who, when and where they are found..

So can we agree that the scriptures are the place where the church gets its authority ? As such what authority did God grant to the church ...

The bible contains all that is needed for godly living, salvation and rebuke. We can not make doctrine from silence ...because of the possibility of human error..

So lets start there.. Where did Christ teach apostolic succession? And the infallibility of the church ?

1,683 posted on 11/13/2010 2:57:06 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7
I take it you are not disputing any part of my historical framing of Scripture. Yet you ignore it. Do you wish to avoid getting pinned down?

I think it is quite easy to determine if an INFALLIBLE teaching came from Christ and not fallible men... is it a directive found in the scriptures

On what do you base this assertion? Did any Christian prior to the Sixteenth Century share the same viewpoint?

So lets start there.. Where did Christ teach apostolic succession? And the infallibility of the church ?

I will answer only under protest since we cannot establish a shared historical framework for evaluating basic reality. Hence we are doomed to forever squabble over comparisons of apples with oranges.

Anyway, apostolic succession was defined at the end of Acts 1 when Peter led the eleven Apostles to choose Matthias as the successor to Judas. One of the many scriptural demonstrations of Church infallibility is the Holy Spirit inspired First Church Council in Jerusalem where Peter chaired a meeting to establish rules for Gentile converts.

Unfortunately, if you consider yourself unbound to any historical framework, you could spin these strait-forward scriptural references a thousand different ways.

1,694 posted on 11/13/2010 5:07:07 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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