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The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Anyone placing themselves (their souls) under 'man' have no chance of surviving and are tainted by the sins they placed themselves under.

Catholics allegiance is to a church. Christians (His Body of Christ) has allegiance only to God/Jesus is The Word.

Only ONE of those ways is right. Not a difficult choice.

God designed it so the Spotless Lamb, the Christ of the Living God, is the Head of His Church and everyone of His children go directly to HIM. There is no 'man' to taint us.

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them.

While JESUS is the ONLY answer for everything and HIS children know that. And His children have nothing to survive because they don't align themselves with man but their SAVIOR alone.
1,628 posted on 11/12/2010 8:50:58 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them.

Who, by the way, teaches "reformers" their "answers" -- surely not scripture alone, because of all the disagreement. If all the "reformers" agreed, there would only be ONE sect of them, instead of thousands. So....

I find it ironic, Reformers think Catholics want to go directly to Heaven, but then, Reformers THINK Catholics DON'T want to go dircctly to Christ in prayer! Who tells reformers that? Who makes that stuff up? Reformers THINK Catholics are taught to go to Mary for some things, not seeing the obvious: anyone can ask a friend for anything. Mary is alive, and she is a friend. Do you go to a library for groceries? Do you ask a rocket scientist for recipes? Then if you want a point of doctrine explained, why not go to the Catechism? Or to particular saints who had a special charism for the topic at interest, to see what they said, in addition to the Scriptures?

1,635 posted on 11/12/2010 9:06:02 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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Anyone placing themselves (their souls) under 'man' have no chance of surviving and are tainted by the sins they placed themselves under.

The child is not judged for the sins of his parents. Neither is the Catholic judged for the sins of Church officials.

Catholics allegiance is to a church. Christians (His Body of Christ) has allegiance only to God/Jesus is The Word. Only ONE of those ways is right. Not a difficult choice.

The Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ and is therefore the only choice. Historically, there is no denying that He founded the Catholic Church. There is no historically serious claim (with details) that the Church has ever diverged from Christ's original teaching. Objectively secular historians understand this. Only Protestants live in stark denial of the basic historical record.

God designed it so the Spotless Lamb, the Christ of the Living God, is the Head of His Church and everyone of His children go directly to HIM. There is no 'man' to taint us.

Christ appointed Peter and his successors to be His earthly stewards. How can you rebel against His leadership decision in this regard?

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer

This is 100% false. Are you intentionally lying?

, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them. While JESUS is the ONLY answer for everything and HIS children know that. And His children have nothing to survive because they don't align themselves with man but their SAVIOR alone.

Let Jesus be Jesus. You have no authority to redefine His teaching. I could understand if you had questions about the historical authenticity of Church teaching and wanted to investigate further, but you are not saying that. You pronounce your own infallible doctrine heedless of what Jesus taught, implying that your authority is greater than His.

1,655 posted on 11/13/2010 9:25:21 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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