In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[Quix]

[mas cerveza por favor]

To kill someone because they don’t believe as you do is not murder?

You are being vague. Are you talking about war? Capital punishment for plotting against your society in the midst of war? Or something else?

[presently no screen name]

Come out from deception and then you will know.

[Judith Anne]

Come out from deception and then you will know.

In the most holy Name of Christ Jesus, my Lord and Savior, Risen Son of the Almighty Everliving God, I ask that you be healed of your hatred, amen.

[Religion Moderator]

Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[smvoice]

"Miss Landers?"

"Yes, Judy.."

"Miss Landers, Beaver was just giving either a note or a piece of notebook paper to Whitey...want I should take it and bring it to you..?"

{{{sigh}}}"No, Judy...that is quite all right..{{{sigh}}}...

[boatbums]

He was speaking of his life ending, but he also said that he will endeavor that the Church continues in the knowledge that the Apostles witnessed to be true. That is a promise to keep his office through generations.

"My Translation" has noo such designs. It IS curious, though, that what they are saying is very similar to "yours". I see no such inference of an Apostolic Succession from this, though, only that their teachings as with the other scripture were a sure basis of authority, designed so by God.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, not Irenaeus. If you read the letter, sounds a lot like the Church today though. The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans. One Catholic distinctive that St. Ignatius points out is obedience to the bishops. The other is the belief inthe Holy Eucharist. Sounds familiar?

Thanks for the correction, I knew the guy's name started with an "I". I also agree that he encouraged the Smyrnaeans to "obey" their own bishop in matters of faith, just as he expected those in Antioch (his own area) to obey him. I have no argument that there were overseers/bishops who bore responsibility to train the people in the faith and anoint pastors, just that he was NOT speaking of one, primal overseer to the entire, universal church. Certainly you can see that that idea NEVER worked very well when it was first decided in the fourth century - way after Ignatius was dead and gone.

Finally, I don't think Ignatius was speaking of the "Eucharist" in any way that you imply he did. He wrote the letter to counter the heresy of Docetism which denied that Jesus was God in the flesh. He wanted them to understand that the very purpose of the "Lord's Supper" was the remembrance that Jesus very much was in the flesh, that he gave this flesh and blood for the sacrifice for our sins just as the sacrifices of old were of real flesh and blood creatures for a covering for sins. He reiterated Jesus' own words that the bread was "his body" and the wine, "his blood" therefore proving that Christ was a real human being and not just a spirit.

[presently no screen name]

The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Anyone placing themselves (their souls) under 'man' have no chance of surviving and are tainted by the sins they placed themselves under.

Catholics allegiance is to a church. Christians (His Body of Christ) has allegiance only to God/Jesus is The Word.

Only ONE of those ways is right. Not a difficult choice.

God designed it so the Spotless Lamb, the Christ of the Living God, is the Head of His Church and everyone of His children go directly to HIM. There is no 'man' to taint us.

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them.

While JESUS is the ONLY answer for everything and HIS children know that. And His children have nothing to survive because they don't align themselves with man but their SAVIOR alone.

[boatbums]

It's not just Catholics that think that way. There are even many “Protestant” denominations as well as cults that make salvation dependent upon a person's merit.

My thinking on this is that if Satan can get someone to believe they add to the work of Christ by their own efforts, then they are not really trusting or believing in Jesus Christ as savior and will not be saved. How easily he slips into men's hearts through the doorway of pride. Some are just wide-open.

[presently no screen name]

........In the most holy Name of Christ Jesus, my Lord and Savior, Risen Son of the Almighty Everliving God, I ask that you be healed of your hatred, amen.

There are warnings about using God's name in vain for one's pleasure... I submit.

"... the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

[metmom]

The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Whatever happened to *infallible in the matter of faith and morals*?

If the RCC has popes in it like JPII, then what about all the decisions he makes? What about the blessings on others that he allegedly bestows? Are they not valid?

Aren't Catholics obligated to follow the pope at risk of losing their salvation if they don't?

How could the Church make such a *mistake* as appointing a *bad* pope?

[presently no screen name]

Exactly! All from the same mold.

[boatbums]

Is it completely beyond comprehension that someone could disagree with you, NOT be indoctrinated, have NO NEED to “budge loose” from what they are absolutely convinced of, and STILL grasp the infinte beauty, majesty and heartbreaking wonder of GRACE that our Lord has so richly poured upon us? Is every Catholic convoluted and twisted to “conform” to what reformers THINK is our religion’s doctrines? What about those who come to the Salvation of Christ through the Catholic Church by the leading of the Holy Spirit? Do you deny that is possible?

(1)No. (2) No. (3) I rejoice in every soul that comes to the knowledge of the grace of God. (4) No.

[Natural Law]

"So what do you think about JPII kissing the Koran?"

Luke 6:27-36 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

[Judith Anne]

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them.

Who, by the way, teaches "reformers" their "answers" -- surely not scripture alone, because of all the disagreement. If all the "reformers" agreed, there would only be ONE sect of them, instead of thousands. So....

I find it ironic, Reformers think Catholics want to go directly to Heaven, but then, Reformers THINK Catholics DON'T want to go dircctly to Christ in prayer! Who tells reformers that? Who makes that stuff up? Reformers THINK Catholics are taught to go to Mary for some things, not seeing the obvious: anyone can ask a friend for anything. Mary is alive, and she is a friend. Do you go to a library for groceries? Do you ask a rocket scientist for recipes? Then if you want a point of doctrine explained, why not go to the Catechism? Or to particular saints who had a special charism for the topic at interest, to see what they said, in addition to the Scriptures?

[boatbums]

Amen! I stand amazed that our Heavenly Father has entrusted each of his children to be the bearers of the good news to a hungry and needful world - even that commission is grace.

[presently no screen name]

Right on! That's how satan works - takes The Word and twists it. Satan's tactics have not changed from 'the beginning' and man still hasn't learned.

What has been is what will be,
and what HAS BEEN done is what WILL BE done,
and there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9

[presently no screen name]

IGNORE.

[presently no screen name]

Aren't Catholics obligated to follow the pope at risk of losing their salvation if they don't?

All Catholics need to realize they kissed the Koran, also. Whether they agree or not w/his actions. They already put themselves in his hands. The dangers of following man truly leads to destruction.

[Judith Anne]

May God bless and keep you in His Loving Arms, may He bless you and all those whom you love, may He protect and guide you always, throughout eternity. In Christ’s Holy Name I pray, Amen.