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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Tribemike1; Notwithstanding
Calvinism and Universalism (Unitarian Universalists) are two sides of the same coin --> both extreme opinions completely diverging from Christian thought.

As Calvin taught about his caste system with the elite elect caste and taught about his CalvinGod that made men do evil (since hypercalvinism means that men with no free will are mindless robots), there was the other extreme reaction to this -- Universalism.
John Murray (1741 - 1815) believed that every individual shall in due time be separated from sin. Of Calvinist background, he was influenced by the Methodism of John Wesley but was converted to Universalism, the doctrine of universal redemption. He organized the first American Universalist Church in 1779 at Gloucester, Mass.

Hosea Ballou (1771 - 1852), a New England theologian and clergyman, formulated the basic tenets of Universalism. Upon reacting against the Calvinist position on salvation of the elect only, he began teaching that all people are saved (universal salvation) and that there is no eternal punishment.


In both of these failings, you see the errors by veering wildly out of Christian beliefs as taught by orthodoxy. And in both they end up in disbelief and in rejection of a loving, Christian God
1,012 posted on 11/07/2010 5:54:58 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Cronos

Source reference?


1,013 posted on 11/07/2010 6:04:36 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos; Iscool; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; editor-surveyor; metmom; boatbums; Quix; bkaycee; ...

Cronos, Just as the Pope sent out people to kill Luther..the hate of Luther and Calvin continue in the Catholic church today.

To say that Calvin had an unloving God is so far from his actual doctrinal position to be laughable..

The city of Geneva, like most cities at that time were religious city states.

Calvin brought to Geneva social programs that were absent in the Roman Catholic city states .. Calvin’s social reforms included social services for the poor, the building of Hospitals and schools (which were free), prisons, he made provisions for refugees, and what was an amazing sanitation system for its time that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe.

It was His his principle of the work ethic that started the industrial revolution, it was also his position on the depravity of man that gave American government the checks and balances system

One may not agree with his doctrinal positions to see he was one of the most major influences on democracy and mans responsibility to man

I would just point out that Calvinists and Lutherans and the other faiths that grew from the reformation do not have infallible popes, so we know and expect that like all men they were and are fallen sinners in need of a savior.. we do not expect or claim infallibility or perfection from them..


1,022 posted on 11/07/2010 10:01:06 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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