In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[metmom]

Non Catholics immediately depart from the foundational element of Christ alone once they make up their own theology of what Christ taught that cannot be measured against consistent historical Christianity.

Who's departed from the foundational faith of Christ alone? Give us some examples of anyone here who says it's not Christ alone?

Protestantism is not united in faith alone, otherwise you would be united in things like infant Baptism ,etc..and of one mind in scripture interpretations with concrete teachings that can never change.

The Catholic church is hardly united in matters of faith and doctrine. Look at the difference between what has been revealed by the Orthodox that they believe that the Roman Catholics don't.

The Orthodox don't believe in transubstantiation and don't recognize the papacy.

Individual posters here who claim to be dyed in the wool Catholics don't believe in eternal torment in hell, but rather the JW and Christian Science teachings of soul annihilation.

For that matter, the issue of salvation outside the Catholic church is taught both for and against in different places in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Same with whether Jesus meant Peter is the rock on which His church was built or Peter's statement about Christ being the rock on which Christ builds His church.

Every man his own pope.....

YOPIOS, YOPIOT

[metmom]

Protestant theology is always changing (not as much so with mainstream protestants because they adopted things from Catholicism) and can hardly ever be pinned down. The only time you get things right is when you borrow from Catholic Theology

And how many years did it take to determine whether Mary was perpetually a virgin? Or whether she was assumed?

And the Catechism of the Catholic church where one pope says, *No salvation outside the Catholic church* period, to the current one *amended* by Vatican II?

YOPIOTCOTCC.

[metmom]

It's not my job to listen to nut jobs who claim they know the truth without proving a single statement.

Why not? You do it.

Do as I say, not as I do, eh?

[kosta50]

And if there's a name attached, it makes a difference how?

You can refer to it by the name.

Do you apply the same standard to ALL historical documents that you do to Scripture?

Yes.

You can't even be sure George Washington existed

There is incomaprably more evidence of George Washington's existence.

How do you know that he's not just a fictional character someone made up?

More than one source of his time frame, both pro and con; no appeal to "supernatural" events, etc.

How do you know Moses wrote Mosaic Books? Because the Mosaic Books say so?

[metmom]

So it’s your way or no way? I had a feeling that was the case.

It's the way you and the Catholic church operate.

Why is it an issue when someone else hands it back?

[kosta50]

What would you know about Truth. nada, zilch

That makes us even. At least I don't pretend I know the truth (that's what being agnostic means).

[OLD REGGIE]

What are you talking about? St. Matthias' life is known as well as St. Batolomeo's

According to Nicephorus (Historia eccl., 2, 40), Matthias first preached the Gospel in Judaea, then in Aethiopia (made out to be a synonym for the region of Colchis, now in modern-day Georgia) and was crucified in Colchis. A marker placed in the ruins of the Roman fortress at Gonio (Apsaros) in the modern Georgian region of Adjara claims that Matthias is buried at that site.

I'm speaking of Scripture, not something written in the 9th century; a time when pious fiction was in vogue.

[kosta50]

How do you know? Show us your evidence.

How do I know dead people don't get up and walk away? You are good/s. You need to go on TV and make a spectacle of yourself instead of hiding behind the Internet anonymity with such insane suggestions.

[presently no screen name]

It's not my job to listen to nut jobs who claim they know the truth without proving a single statement.

The nut is the one who doesn't want to know, not the one who knows.

The nut is the one responsible for finding out for itself what others have proof of. Some nuts are lazy and/or incapable need/want to be spoon fed and coddled. Some nuts don't want to grow up and take responsibility for it's own destiny. Some nuts like to stay in their own poop.

[kosta50]

What? You are repeating your posts now? Running out of things to say out of cotnext?

[kosta50]

Do you always spend so much time in things you don't believe?

Yes, as a matter of fact I do.

Will you be spending time on santa's knee this year?

Not interested. Tell me what's it like, since you seem to know about it.

[presently no screen name]

That makes us even

In you dreams.

At least I don't pretend I know the truth

But you do pretend that you want to know it.

[kosta50]

And your standard of truth is that a particular book you like is the truth. It's true because you say so, right? Don't bother trying to back up your claims, okay?

[metmom]

No fear at all,The Holy Spirit guided the Church ,so I don't run off and follow a self serving non historical faith.It was my free decision to leave protestant ism's ever changing beliefs

The job of the Holy Spirit is to indwell BELIEVERS to guide them, not an organization. (John 14:15-26)

It is to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. (John 16:7-15)

And it is to lift up and glorify Jesus. (John 15:26) Not Mary. Not the pope. Not dead "saints". Jesus.

[kosta50]

sacred cows of Catholicism

Reformation eating its own.

[kosta50]

In fairness to our FRiend Kosta I think his position is that whenever a group of theologians from his church gathered and determined what the truth of something was that is what the truth is

How is that different than agreeing whatever an a group of Protestants or individual Protestant decides it's true?

[kosta50]

It is a prophecy and that is the verse.....

It's not a prophesy, it's a sign so that Ahaz would believe God.

[metmom]

At least I don't pretend I know the truth (that's what being agnostic means).

Actually, you do. You keep telling everyone else they're wrong.

To do that, you need to know WHAT the truth is, and you tell us that you don't know what the truth is.

Since you don't know what the truth is, you are in no position to tell others that they don't know what the truth is or that they're wrong because by your own admission, you don't know what truth is.

IOW, you admit that you don't know what you're talking about.

[kosta50]

I did not mislead you into anything. You did everything yourself by assuming too much. As soon as you planted John in your reply I knew it was not a discussion but a sermon.

[metmom]

Read the last few verses of Matthew, the ones I posted in 4,333.

Matthew says it was prophecy and that that prophecy was fulfilled.

Are you, who say you don’t know what truth is, telling us that he’s lying?

How do you know?

Where are your proofs?