In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[metmom]

The idea of a divine Messiah never existed in Judaism, and even the very idea of a messiah does not come until after the post-exilic period, not during the major prophets.

It did exist in Scripture. They just missed it because they didn't interpret Scripture right.

Isaiah 7:14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

[metmom]

The Orthodox anathematize only those who teach doctrines contrary to the Church. I do not preach another faith, so there is no reason to anathematize me.

Why would you care if they anathematized you?

[metmom]

you mean that if you do something wrong and do not truly feel sorry for it and do something to SHOW to God that you are truly sorry, you think it’s ok?

Why would I show God that I feel sorry for something if I don't truly feel sorry for it?

He would know I don't feel truly sorry and that the acts are just for show.

[metmom]

you seriously have not attended confession if you don’t know that that it is a strong a motivation to NOT sin again — Go and sin no more.

My love for God, my desire to please Him, and desire to honor Him by living a Godly life are motivations to not sin again.

One can repent and confess without using a priest. Jesus instructed us to confess to the Father in the Lord's prayer.

[metmom]

And the Gospels, which were written even earlier, state that Joseph did not *know* Mary until after she had given birth to Jesus.

All four Gospel writers mention his brothers and sisters, two of them name them by name, and in a context that clearly indicates that they are Mary’s other children.

There is NO evidence in Scripture to support the speculation that Joseph was an older man or that he had been married before and had other children.

It is fascinating to watch Catholics demand a literal, word for word interpretation of Jesus’ teachings on His body and blood, and claim Scriptural evidence for that and condemn Protestants for not believing it, and then turn around and weasel out of the plain, literal, word for word reading of the passages concerning Jesus’ family and siblings.

[metmom]

I never claimed she remained a virgin after Jesus birth.

The prophecy was that a virgin would conceive and bear a son.

She did. Prophecy fulfilled. Done deal.

Scripture clearly speaks of Jesus brothers and sisters and goes as far as naming the brothers.

The teachings that they were cousins does not fit in context, the teaching that she was perpetually a virgin is in direct contradiction to Matthew 1:25. That would make it a lie.

THAT is why it’s important whether she was perpetually a virgin..... or not.

I don’t care how many *church fathers* agreed to this, or how close to His life they were. Error was creeping into the church from the very beginning. Paul had to address it in several of his epistles.

And besides, consensus does not truth make. Broad is the way that leads to hell and many are there that find it. Just because lots of people believe something, doesn’t make it true.

[metmom]

if you think you know better than the Early Christians Catholics.

There were others who did not adhere to the developing Catholic doctrines and were considered heretics by the group.

Yeah, the "church fathers" "agreed" to all that, but if you didn't, you weren't a "church father". So Catholics can claim church unity in doctrine because they kicked out anyone who disagreed with them and then offer up as proof that all their "church fathers" agreed in these doctrines.

Convenient, eh?

[metmom]

Ouch......

[metmom]

Details, details.....

[metmom]

I think that it is cute that you will count Augustine when he allows for perpetual virginity, but will throw out everything else he says when it comes to soteriology and other doctrines Rome has rejected.

It's pretty typical for Catholics to cherry pick what they want to believe to support what they want to believe. They do it with Scripture and they do it with extra Scriptural writings.

There is no consistency to their decisions. It's all what their itching ears want to hear.

[Cronos]

There were others who did not adhere to the developing Catholic doctrines and were considered heretics by the group.

Yes, like the Marcionites or Gnostics who believed that the God of the OT was just a demiurge and a false god and Jesus was the son of a "higher" god. Or the Arians who said Jesus was just a created being.

Which of these groups is your cults spiritual forebear?

And thank you for equating Early Christians as being the same as early CAtholics. That is so true — right from Apostolic times, if you read the Didache (written in 70 AD) you can see that the rituals, practises and beliefs of the Early Christians are continued in the beliefs of The Church

[metmom]

Many early Christians were also Premillennialists, and Augustine was once one, before he switched to what Rome now holds which is largely an Amillennial view. So if we look outside of Scripture, then which best represents the eschatology of Christ? Premil or Amil? (Sorry Preterists, you weren't well represented back then)

We stick with Sola Scriptura because God doesn't change, and neither does His revelation. The inspired texts locked in time serve that purpose well.

Truly, Catholics adjust Scripture to fit their beliefs. Protestants adjust their beliefs to fit Scripture.

[Cronos]

I understand that your cult allows you to change doctrine at will so that it fits the a priori view your handlers demand, but your pastors and cult leaders brainwashing won't work on me.

+Paul would add that in for the same reason I pointed out above -- even in the current Middle East, a cousin can be called "brother".

your ham-fisted approach to rendering Greek is quite hilarious to the extreme.

how well do you know your koine Greek?

Please excuse the rest of us who trust the Inspired word of God before we heed the ludicrous contentions of sex-starved pastors and cult members who fantasize about heavenly virgins (like your Mohammadan mad bombers also do)

[Cronos]

Oh, and do read the Bible. It’s not a waste of your time, even if your handlers, your pastors and cult leaders tell you not to believe you eyes nor trust the good sense God has allegedly given you.

[Cronos]

Oh, and do read the Bible. It's not a waste of your time, even if your handlers, your pastors and cult leaders tell you not to believe you eyes nor trust the good sense God has allegedly given you.

Oh and while you're at it, a good dictionary in English and another one in Greek would help.

[metmom]

And thank you for equating Early Christians as being the same as early CAtholics. That is so true — right from Apostolic times, if you read the Didache (written in 70 AD) you can see that the rituals, practises and beliefs of the Early Christians are continued in the beliefs of The Church

That's only because the Catholic church claimed that the early Christians were Catholics. That doesn't mean they were.

On the contrary, the Catholic church has long since departed from the early church. It in no way resembles the church in the book of Acts. Of course, that can be said for many (not all) other churches as well. But the Catholic church is certainly no exempt from that error.

[Cronos]

Ha ha! you compare Augustine's

"It was not the visible sun, but its invisible Creator who consecrated this day for us, when the Virgin Mother, fertile of womb and integral in her virginity, brought him forth, made visible for us, by whom, when he was invisible, she too was created. A Virgin conceiving, a Virgin bearing, a Virgin pregnant, a Virgin bringing forth, a Virgin perpetual. Why do you wonder at this, O man?"

Where he relates what has been believed by all Early Christians since APostolic times to his writings on soteriology?

[Mad Dawg]

I have GOT to get me one of THOSE!

[Cronos]

Does scripture say anything of Joseph’s life before or after? What happened to him according to scripture? Do you have any answers for that?

[Cronos]

What difference does it make to you that Mary was a virgin after she gave birth to Our Lord?

Why is it so important to YOU to deny this and to deny the writings of Early Christians?

Doesn't the conundrum of the term sola scriptura which is not IN scripture confuse you enough?