In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You're still not getting it, Mark.

How do you define a reprobate? What is a reprobate?

[kosta50]

Without going into too much detail, Eze 28 is about the king of Tyre, not Satan, and Isa 14 is about the king and deity of Babylon. It was Jerome (6th century) who invented the term "Lucifer" for Helel (Babylonian deity, the Morning Star).

2 Pet and Jude state that angels sinned but they give no source, which might be "apocryphal."

[kosta50]

I didn’t see men land on the moon so I really can’t believe it happened, can I?

True, but there is a lot more evidence of men being on the moon (never mind the retro mirror they left for laser beams to bounce back from the Moon for scientific measurements of the lunar distance and the speed of light).

That is not just believable, that's a fact. But, hey, even if you don't believe it, it doesn't say you will go to hell or be called a "blasphemer".

[Running On Empty]

“The Catholic god shows no mercy. All remission of sins has to be earned. That’s not mercy, that’s subjection”.

I am truly amazed and repelled by this statement; it is very far from truth. I am a convert to the Catholic Faith and I was NEVER taught this, not as a catechuman, not from the pulpit from a priest, not in Confession, not by word of mouth.

The statement you have made here cannot be verified in the Catholic Catechism.

It’s a very subjective view and can’t be sustained by fact.

“Fear of being condemned by an angry,vengeful God whom only Mary can appease——”. This is nonsense. And it is also not truth.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

She directly accused me of having two accounts when I didn't and never have had two accounts

Why did you change your tag (AKA Cool Breeze) immediately after Metmom asked you if you had two accounts?

I've seen her lie about things kosta has said many times

Saying a particular FReeper is "lying" is imputing motive and against the rules of the FR Religion Forum. Please stop breaking the rules.

I've read the lies here about Catholics worshiping Mary, statues and icons here

If it looks like worship, and it sounds like worship and it feels like worship, it's not fruit salad.

It's worship.

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20

Yes, there is a lie in the right hand of those who bow down to statues and pray to "co-redeemers" and look to "another Christ" for mercy when all our prayers, worship, veneration, adoration, attention, obedience and repentance is to be directed to Jesus Christ alone.

"...he feedeth on ashes..."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What makes you think he "lied" on his tagline???

Why did goml change his/her tag immediately after metmom asked if he had two accounts?

Duplicity is not an admirable trait.

[boatbums]

I knew a sailor once who named his boat that. Sure sounds like a weird nickname, though. ;o)

[presently no screen name]

See #3887. I was mimicking what was posted there.

[kosta50]

Would you agree that in the first words of his gospel, John is positing that the Word, the Logos who became flesh and dwelt among us, was at the beginning, was with the Cause, and was Himself Cause?

I am not sure I understand what you are diving at. Why John? Anything can be the cause. For what it's worth, the Son is not the Cause, having himself been caused (begotten).

[kosta50]

diving=driving

[Dr. Eckleburg]

How many gods or Gods are there? For you believe that they are worshiping a god other than the one true God you would have to be a polytheist. The Pope, as a monotheist made a perfectly logical assertion that the Muslims are imperfectly describing and imperfectly worshiping the only God.

That is the dumbest rationalization to date for your daffy pope's kissing of the koran.

The false bishop of Rome is wrong. Muslims and Christians do NOT worship the same God. Just because muslims say they worship the God of Abraham does not mean it is true. The fruit of that faith says otherwise.

"Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." -- John 8:19

Muslims pray to a god who demands the death of Christians. Do you worship that god?

JPII's kiss of the koran was Satanic. Without God's forgiveness, he is burning in hell right this minute for that very act.

[kosta50]

Why did goml change his/her tag immediately after metmom asked if he had two accounts?

Why don't you ask him?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

He/she has been asked several times.

The response has been silence alternating with feigned outrage.

It’s just one more example of RCs saying one thing and doing another. It’s transparent.

[Cronos]

So not surprisingly the early church would have attempted to bring in the Pagan

You do realise that that is the same argument used by atheists to say that the entire "Son of God" and "dying and rising" is a myth -- they compare it to the numerous sons of Olympians gods, to the numerous examples of gods dying and rising (Osiris, Baal etc). Once you go down the path of reasoning you have stated, it ends with doubting Christ.

[kosta50]

Do you have any proof that he had two accounts or are you just speculaitng. If you have a proof that both accounts are in the same name, then rovide the proof. Otherwise, I beileve, the RM instructed everyone to drop the double account discussion, so why is this being rehashed at nauseum again?

I guess I will read about it in the morning.

[Cronos]

A Pastor once preached about the error of the Christian churches in inviting the unsaved into the congregations

So then, does that pastor disagree with Jesus who said HE came for the sinners? Do you reject the non-elect caste and keep them out of your churches?

[Cronos]

Semper reformanda if you translate from Latin translates as “always being reformed” which is a good descriptio of the sola crowd, always rewriting scripture to their own image!

It is an apt description of the various meanderings and re-imaginings of the various groups that were formed out of the Reformation. The First groups like the Lutherans and Trad Anglicans stayed true to orthodoxy. Even Luther was looking for real reform, not tearing of the cloth.

Then came Calvin who shocked Luther and Zwingli who he detested.

Then came the Unitarians, Anabaptists etc. who he AND Calvin AND Zwingli detested -- but the floodgates had been opened, SEMPER REFORMANDA - ALWAYS RE-FORMING -- and this has led to various beliefs as weird as Mormons (who took the Baptist belief and twisted it further to a Great Apostasy), the OrthodPresbyterian Cult (OPC), Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, etc.

Always reforming is an apt term

[Cronos]

Of course, when Christian Protestants agree with non-Christian cultists from the Unitarians or the OPC or the LDS, that is insane, it’s just because the Christian Protestants want to cling to something or anything

[count-your-change]

The reply was only sent as a courtesy (an unearned one at that) not as a desire for more of you nonsense.

[Cronos]

"Rome and the agnostic." -- what is funny is that Kosta is of the Eastern Tradition. If the Western Church helps him in the faith, then why not. After all, the Church believes in reaching out to sinners and those who are outside the faith or who doubt their faith. We are not like the pastors caww spoke about who do not want to reach out to non-believers.

We are not Calvinists believeing in a caste-system