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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: MarkBsnr
Paul understood exactly what he was. "the chief of sinners (1 Tim. 1:15), "less than the least of all saints" (Eph. 3:8) and "not worthy to be called an apostle" (1 Cor. 15:9). Exactly the way everyone who is saved by the grace of God feels.

Paul was the supreme example of the grace he was sent forth to proclaim. (1 Tim. 1:12-16).

But he was also accountable to God for everything he received and taught concerning his calling and message. This is why he vigorously defended his apostleship.

"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles; I magnify mine office.

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Rom. 11:13 and Gal. 1:11,12.

He could not have been taught by the 12 because his gospel was taught him, not by Peter or the 11, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

3,841 posted on 11/30/2010 8:20:35 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: MarkBsnr
That is not Judgement - why is it that you Bahble Believers (t) simply don't get it correct?

What? Don't Catholics believe the Bible?

3,842 posted on 11/30/2010 8:20:57 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

**crickets**


3,843 posted on 11/30/2010 8:21:17 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom; getoffmylawn

Incredible. He will judged by The Word and he think it is an accessory. It’s going to major crying and gnashing of teeth when that time comes. Those words, all his words, will be brought before him.


3,844 posted on 11/30/2010 8:21:49 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: metmom

Exactly, metmom. It’s even in RED LETTERS, for those who only believe the words written in red...


3,845 posted on 11/30/2010 8:22:05 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Judith Anne
"Bringing comments from a thread that was closed LAST APRIL onto this thread, comments which have nothing to do with the present subject under discussion (unless the only subject is anti-Catholicism) is about the least logical or Christian thing I can imagine."

Why else would anyone fastidiously collect and catalog posting histories if not to use them as ammunition on future ambushes?

3,846 posted on 11/30/2010 8:22:25 PM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: metmom
What? Don't Catholics believe the Bible?

We believe the Bible with the Faith that has been given to us from the Apostles. We don't believe the interpretations of the Bible from the rabble and the ruins of the Reformation, and we don't believe the interpretation that you happen to present to us today, as opposed to yesterday, or tomorrow. The Church of Jesus Christ, Lord God Almighty, takes precedent over Luther's any milkmaid who pulls a novel doctrine on a daily basis from the contents of the navel or the whims of the god in the mirror.

3,847 posted on 11/30/2010 8:25:59 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom; kosta50

“kosta50:As much as talking snakes and donkeys...and people walking on water or being raised form the dead...have you ever seen a talking snake or a donkey or anyone raised from the dead, or do you maybe walk on water?”

I didn’t see men land on the moon so I really can’t believe it happened, can I?


3,848 posted on 11/30/2010 8:26:13 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: smvoice

If you read through his epistles, Paul first hustled himself to the 12 in order to be accepted and constantly complained that they didn’t accept him as equals to them. If Paul was so sure, why would he complain so much?


3,849 posted on 11/30/2010 8:27:52 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom

***crickets***


3,850 posted on 11/30/2010 8:29:37 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: presently no screen name; Judith Anne
"What’s the problem, are you ashamed of the hatred you posted towards St. Paul? You can repent instead of making it a big deal on this thread."

I recall the discussion well. As with many actual Christians it isn't what St. Paul actually wrote that is "loony", it is the bizarre Protestant interpretations and importance that has been assigned to them that invokes the ridicule.

3,851 posted on 11/30/2010 8:29:51 PM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: metmom
"You can’t intellectually honestly mock records of talking animals as not real when there are ones here in existence on this planet today."

Animals repeating human sounds is not talking anymore than a voice recorder is talking.

3,852 posted on 11/30/2010 8:37:27 PM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
We don't believe the interpretations of the Bible from the rabble and the ruins of the Reformation, and we don't believe the interpretation that you happen to present to us today, as opposed to yesterday, or tomorrow.

Show us examples of anyone on this board who changes their doctrines and interpretations from day to day.

The Church of Jesus Christ, Lord God Almighty, takes precedent over Luther's any milkmaid who pulls a novel doctrine on a daily basis from the contents of the navel or the whims of the god in the mirror.

No, the RCC just changes it's doctrines en masse at councils where the church leadership gets together, changes it's collective mind on some issue, and declares it new doctrine and the old invalid.

The only difference between what you're complaining about and what the Catholic church does is that when the Catholic church does it, they give it their own stamp of approval to validate it to themselves and then go on to act as if nothing is really any different.

3,853 posted on 11/30/2010 8:37:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law; kosta50

3,854 posted on 11/30/2010 8:41:01 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law; presently no screen name; Judith Anne; Gamecock
I recall the discussion well. As with many actual Christians it isn't what St. Paul actually wrote that is "loony", it is the bizarre Protestant interpretations and importance that has been assigned to them that invokes the ridicule.

Apparently your recall is completely flawed.

That is NOT what the conversation was about.

3,855 posted on 11/30/2010 8:44:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Religion Moderator

As far as I am concerned, I am finished with this discussion. If you disagree, then let’s ask the Religion Moderator if everyone on THIS thread gets to bring up the topic at least once, or not.

Because I consider the continuing remarks to be, as the Religion Moderator said, “flame baiting.”

RM, please excuse the courtesy ping. I have continually tried to end this.


3,856 posted on 11/30/2010 8:48:33 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Natural Law
actual Christians

What's an actual Christian? LOL!

What would Catholics know about interpretation when the RCC says their sheep need to leave interpretation to them. And will spoon feed them with 'their' interpretation.

And we don't expect Catholics to understand God's Word either for it is spiritually discerned. So calling Christians interpretation bizarre is calling the Holy Spirit bizarre - Are you sure you want to go there?

IOW, saying man made teachings are bizarre would be fine for you to do.
3,857 posted on 11/30/2010 8:49:26 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: kosta50

Well, kosta50, you are being a bit less than effusive with your answers to my questions, but I will take them in good faith.

Would you agree that in the first words of his gospel, John is positing that the Word, the Logos who became flesh and dwelt among us, was at the beginning, was with the Cause, and was Himself Cause? Do I understand rightly on this, in your opinion?

Note that I am not at this point speaking to the issue of John’s veracity in these things.


3,858 posted on 11/30/2010 8:50:29 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: MarkBsnr
The Book of Acts answers your question. Paul is saved after the stoning of Stephen. Acts, chapter 9. Israel to this point has been given 3 opportunities to accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah. His first coming, the day of Pentecost, and just before Stephen's stoning. At this point, God saves Paul (Acts, Chapter9). Paul's first return to Jerusalem after his conversions is not met with a parade of cheering fans.The Lord commanded Paul to depart from Jerusalem because his testimony to Israel would now be futile. They were not accepting Jesus Christ as Messiah, and it was apparent they were not going to.

Paul was sent forth as another apostle, to bring another message to a world of lost sinners: "the gospel of the grace of God." That is what the book of Acts is, a transition period from law to grace, from a kingdom of believers to a body of believers, and from the nation Israel to the oneness of Jews and Gentiles in one new man, the Church the Body of Christ.

The 12 disciples were still in Jerusalem, doing exactly what they were told to do by Christ, preach the kingdom gospel to Israel first and then the rest of the nations. But they weren't getting far, Israel wasn't accepting it.

You can understand the differences between the 12 and Paul if you understand that their calling and their messages were different. One was to A NATION. And one was to THE NATIONS. One concerned prophecy. And one concerned a mystery.

3,859 posted on 11/30/2010 8:54:40 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


3,860 posted on 11/30/2010 8:56:31 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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