Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
You are probably reading bastardized translations designed by Protestant liars and their abetters in the Kennedy wing of the Catholic clergy to lie about the scripture.
Citing with the original in parallel:
English: Douay-Rheims Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000) 1 Timothy 4
14. Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood. μη αμελει του εν σοι χαρισματος ο εδοθη σοι δια προφητειας μετα επιθεσεως των χειρων του πρεσβυτεριου
2 Timothy 1
6. For which cause I admonish thee, that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee, by the imposition of my hands. δι ην αιτιαν αναμιμνησκω σε αναζωπυρειν το χαρισμα του θεου ο εστιν εν σοι δια της επιθεσεως των χειρων μου
Titus 1
5. For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee: τουτου χαριν κατελιπον σε εν κρητη ινα τα λειποντα επιδιορθωση και καταστησης κατα πολιν πρεσβυτερους ως εγω σοι διεταξαμην
For full measure, see Acts 8:18, Hebrews 6:2, and, of course, Luke 22:19.
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Sam could appreciate this, don’t you think?
Yes, for God, more precisely, for the Scripture and the Eucharist in Christian usage and the Ten Commandments and the Manna in Hebrew usage. It is in other words, a church. so Peter is saying, "so long as I am in this Church...".
Christians don’t really need to worry too much about translation issues
Catholics don't have to worry so much because they have the Church to explain the scripture. Protestants who rely ONLY on the scripture should worry quite a bit when their pastors lie to them and slip intentionally mangled translations to them. Then they jump up and down thinking they got the Holy Spirit. From whom did you get Him?
“”So one more time..why did God create man?””
Out of love for love and for us to serve and love God back
From the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
67. For what purpose did God create man and woman?
God has created everything for them; but he has created them to know, serve and love God, to offer all of creation in this world in thanksgiving back to him and to be raised up to life with him in heaven. Only in the mystery of the incarnate Word does the mystery of the human person come into true light. Man and woman are predestined to reproduce the image of the Son of God made Man, who is the perfect “image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15).
We are all given a free will to love and serve Him and we are NOT in God’s likeness when we don’t love.
Good stuff from Pope Benedict XVI’s God is love
We have seen that God’s eros for man is also totally agape. This is not only because it is bestowed in a completely gratuitous manner, without any previous merit, but also because it is love which forgives. Hosea above all shows us that this agape dimension of God’s love for man goes far beyond the aspect of gratuity. Israel has committed “adultery” and has broken the covenant; God should judge and repudiate her. It is precisely at this point that God is revealed to be God and not man: “How can I give you up, O Ephraim! How can I hand you over, O Israel! ... My heart recoils within me, my compassion grows warm and tender. I will not execute my fierce anger, I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst” (Hos 11:8-9). God’s passionate love for his people—for humanity—is at the same time a forgiving love. It is so great that it turns God against himself, his love against his justice. Here Christians can see a dim prefigurement of the mystery of the Cross: so great is God’s love for man that by becoming man he follows him even into death, and so reconciles justice and love.
The philosophical dimension to be noted in this biblical vision, and its importance from the standpoint of the history of religions, lies in the fact that on the one hand we find ourselves before a strictly metaphysical image of God: God is the absolute and ultimate source of all being; but this universal principle of creation—the Logos, primordial reason—is at the same time a lover with all the passion of a true love. Eros is thus supremely ennobled, yet at the same time it is so purified as to become one with agape. We can thus see how the reception of the Song of Songs in the canon of sacred Scripture was soon explained by the idea that these love songs ultimately describe God’s relation to man and man’s relation to God. Thus the Song of Songs became, both in Christian and Jewish literature, a source of mystical knowledge and experience, an expression of the essence of biblical faith: that man can indeed enter into union with God—his primordial aspiration. But this union is no mere fusion, a sinking in the nameless ocean of the Divine; it is a unity which creates love, a unity in which both God and man remain themselves and yet become fully one. As Saint Paul says: “He who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him” (1 Cor 6:17).
11. The first novelty of biblical faith consists, as we have seen, in its image of God. The second, essentially connected to this, is found in the image of man. The biblical account of creation speaks of the solitude of Adam, the first man, and God’s decision to give him a helper. Of all other creatures, not one is capable of being the helper that man needs, even though he has assigned a name to all the wild beasts and birds and thus made them fully a part of his life. So God forms woman from the rib of man. Now Adam finds the helper that he needed: “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh” (Gen 2:23). Here one might detect hints of ideas that are also found, for example, in the myth mentioned by Plato, according to which man was originally spherical, because he was complete in himself and self-sufficient. But as a punishment for pride, he was split in two by Zeus, so that now he longs for his other half, striving with all his being to possess it and thus regain his integrity.[8] While the biblical narrative does not speak of punishment, the idea is certainly present that man is somehow incomplete, driven by nature to seek in another the part that can make him whole, the idea that only in communion with the opposite sex can he become “complete”. The biblical account thus concludes with a prophecy about Adam: “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife and they become one flesh” (Gen 2:24)
kosta has essentially told us, in his own words which anyone can check in his posting history if they want to wade through that drivel, that he doesn't believe in God.
Reading his posts, one can only conclude by his rationalizations and convoluted diatribes, that the reason he's on the RF is not to encourage others in their faith, but rather to destroy the faith of others.
1 Corinthians 1:18-25 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
“the world to come where everybody will mindlessly be good (incapable of sinning)!”
Where do you find that in heaven “everybody will mindlessly be good (incapable of sinning)!”?
(Revelation 21:27) “Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”
Since the consequences of sin announced in Genesis 3:14-19 (the frustration and endless toil of work, enmity, sorrow, pain and death) have been removed Revelation 21:4, 22:3, man will inhabit a restored, perfected environment with,
— Intense, refined intellectual activity
— Pure, intense sensual experience
— Harmonious balance between body, soul and spirit
— Vast and varied companionship
— Limitless joy of personal fulfillment.
Why would anyone want to go back to chaos? That would be mindless spiritual masochism.
It is hard to believe this is a serious question from you
Read the old testament, read Moses words, all the commands and ways to live a righteous life, the Psalms, David’s words ...etc., etc.,
Read Jesus commands. Why else did Jesus say many will come and ask open the door and I will say I never knew you.
Any sentence that says do this /the whole Bible tells us how to please God and what He says to do, and not to do..
Adam and Eve knew not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ... and the ate it anyway.
...
Matthew 7:23
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
We all have to do our own work and study of the Scriptures. See for yourself .. do not simply take others opinion; and do not study paraphrased translations. Get a sound translation
Probably NIV, which so many Evangelicals use precisely because it has been "doctrinally" fixed. This is how 1 Tim 1:14 reads in NIV:
Notice it threw out "priesthood" (presbytery) and substituted it with "you" even though there are no known variants of that verse.
No other version of the Bible so wantonly alters the Greek text as the NIV. The NIV is a fraud and it spreads lies.
The Bible has been translated by men that held opinions; and when it came to those words difficult to know for sure the words to choose ...
words having similar meanings, (deliverer, savior, redeemer), etc., they chose the one that seemed right according to how they believed.
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You will just have to provide evidence for these false and vial charges, or retract them. They claim things I never said and, worse, imply my motives, which is an ad hominem.
I ask questions. You find that threatening? You have no obligation to read or reply to my posts.
annalex in wonderland wrote:
“You — plural — do not have a knowledge of scripture. You have a collection of prooftexts that someone told you to shake in the air.”
Cue uncontrollable laughter ... but, no, I don’t suppose you see the irony in your statement.
If they are going to spend eternity in heavenly bliss then there is no possibility of sin. Man will no longer be able to sin.
man will inhabit a restored, perfected environment
Restored? The original created environment was primed for sin with the introduction of the tree and the serpent. No tree and no serpent and no chance for sin. Obviously the plan was to introduce sin with divine foreknowledge.
Clearly, then, the eternal heavenly bliss can not be a "restored" environment. That's why I asked why not just make a perfect world to begin with and spare everyone all the blood and guts and anguish?
The Bible makes it clear that God planted the tree and the serpent. If God is God then he did it with the divine foreknowledge of what is about to happen. Man failed, by design.
If God wanted a sinless world we would have a sinless world.
Designing a world that would fail, then wanting to destroy it, then changing his mind, then killing himself to fix it just doesn't look like an excellent plan, or that he is in charge.
The opinions of translators as to which word to use is not an inconsequential factor in translating but as more and examples of how the Hebrew and Greek speakers used certain words are known we can be have a good understanding of a words meaning.
For the average person who is not a scholar of ancient languages there are ever so many reference works available to make use of what is known.
Fortunately in our day we have numerous translations and thousands of manuscripts whereby we can see the message if not every word of the originals.
Agreed.
However, it is not the many doing such research.
Nah! Even when I had hair it wasn't blonde.
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