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To: presently no screen name; boatbums
When you start out wrong, you finish wrong. God created a sinless world and gave dominion over it to 'man'. Man failed, not God

The Bible makes it clear that God planted the tree and the serpent. If God is God then he did it with the divine foreknowledge of what is about to happen. Man failed, by design.

If God wanted a sinless world we would have a sinless world.

Designing a world that would fail, then wanting to destroy it, then changing his mind, then killing himself to fix it just doesn't look like an excellent plan, or that he is in charge.

3,557 posted on 11/29/2010 9:23:39 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
God planted the tree and the serpent.

God planted the tree and created an angel, Lucifer - ALL GOOD

The angel fell through pride and thus satan/demonic.

If God is God then he did it with the divine foreknowledge of what is about to happen. Man failed, by design..

Man had a choice and failed on his own - go back to where he was given dominion and how he chose to do what 'he' wanted with that authority.

If God wanted a sinless world we would have a sinless world.

The only way that would happen if he made us like robots. LOVE doesn't control.

"For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, The Savior, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life". How can you say God is in control when many many will perish and He wants that no man perish? Again, LOVE doesn't control. The fact that He is ALL KNOWING doesn't stop man from making wrong choices. It happens every day - nothing new under the sun.

Designing a world that would fail, then wanting to destroy it, then changing his mind, then killing himself to fix it just doesn't look like an excellent plan, or that he is in charge.

GOD didn't design the world to fail. Are you still here, is there still air, trees, fowl, etc.? Man brought sin into the world willfully - Adam/Eve handed over their/man's authority of dominion by submitting to evil.

Because of LOVE, Jesus came as 'man' to bring back what 'man' gave away by the authority given to them. It only could be reclaimed by 'man' since it was 'man' that had dominion here. God doesn't go against His Word that He gave dominion to 'man'. Don't assign to God what man does. You can't seem to tell the difference and that comes from NOT KNOWING GOD.

God is Good, God is Love - man is not. Man is sinful and in need of a Savior but many live in 'pride' (Lucifer's downfall) by thinking they have a better way. Their outcome will be the same as his. There is only ONE Way.

What you seem to want is someone controlling you so you don't have to make a choice and still be safe. A controlling spirit is demonic and has it's roots in witchcraft - it's a form of manipulation which satan used from the beginning. Man made teachings/doctrines follow that mindset of control. There is nothing new under the sun.

God offered us salvation - “For by grace you have been saved through FAITH, and that not of yourselves; it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” One accepts or rejects the GIFT. The choice is theirs. Adam/Eve were given a GIFT, also, and they traded it for deception. Again, there is nothing new under the sun.
3,567 posted on 11/29/2010 12:46:21 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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