In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[RnMomof7]

Let us praise and thank the Holy Spirit, Who took her for His spouse. "R. Amen. Say an 'Our Father'." St. Joseph Calasanctius, Found in the Raccolta, quoted in "Mary:The Crown of Twelve Stars

Indeed Mary is a bride of Christ as am I all the saved are the bride of Christ, Holy, set aside dressed in the white robe of the righteousness of Christ.. Jesus put it another way

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
He may have added my Bride

[RnMomof7]

“She (Mary) is a virgin who ‘keeps whole and pure the fidelity she has pledged to her Spouse’...The Holy Spirit had already come down upon her, and she became his faithful spouse at the Annunciation.” Pope John Paul II, in Redemptoris Mater (On the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Life of the Pilgrim Church), Encyclical promulgated on March 25, 1987, #5, 26).

So she had sex with the Holy Spirit? Where do we find this belief that she was married to the Holy Spirit or that she took vows with Him??

A marriage is not valid until it is consummated. In jewish law the consummation was the binding act that made the marriage ...

[presently no screen name]

“I know not man”, A woman intending to have children with her fiancee does not respoind like that.

Mary wasn't intending to have children with her fiancee, as you say, but when she was married. She knew 'knowing a man' meant - knowing him intimately.

"When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him to do. He took Mary to be his wife but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus".

[RnMomof7]

Is the magisterium infallible?

the Church does not define doctrine explicitly unless it is necessary to counter an heresy. Explicitly defined teachings are always based upon implicit teachings that have existed for many years or since the beginning of the Church. Petrine infallibility has been operational since it was established by Christ and exercised by Peter's early successors.

What heresy did the immaculate conception and the assumption counter?

[presently no screen name]

respected by what standard?

[mas cerveza por favor]

the Church teaches homosexuality is a sin
Well, it might dance around the subject but the word "sin" is absent from this dance.

That was an unsupported assertion.

[RnMomof7]

1992 - Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men.

Words mean things.. what does "merited mean? This sure sounds like "opening the gates of heaven" so we can get in if we deserve it.

If Christ atoned for the sin of all men ..does that mean all men are saved? Did Christ ransom all men ?

[mas cerveza por favor]

Acknowledgment of a claim of historicity is not acknowledgment of fact.

Protestant historian Philip Schaff acknowledged numerous testaments of Petrine succession from widely varying sources.

[mas cerveza por favor]

The office exists. The tools exist. What is missing is the will to enforce the written rules.

For the time being, you are correct. Such a lack of will is not historically unprecedented. At the appointed time, the Holy Spirit will supply the will and good will overcome evil once again.

[mas cerveza por favor]

What heresy did the immaculate conception and the assumption counter?

Denial of these things. The Church had always believed that Mary committed no sins and that her body was lifted to heaven upon apparent death or sleep.

[mlizzy]

There is no comfort in deception and that's why millions have left. It's those that remain that find comfort in deception. Don't call what is evil, good because you lack understanding of what is good - GOD'S WORD ONLY.

Here are a few reasons (from our personal accounting) as to why some have left the Catholic Church.

1. The priest gives boring homilies and my wife's Lutheran church has a pastor that is exciting ...
2. My parents were Catholic and they got divorced and left the Church, setting a bad example ...
3. I want to divorce but I cannot get an annulment because nothing is really all that wrong with my husband, it's just that I like and click with "Norm" (from work) so much better ...
4. I can't get married as a priest, but I can as an Assemblies of God minister [in fact he not only married after becoming the head pastor, but divorced and remarried again] ...
5. The priest explained partial-birth abortion at one of the Masses, and that's just wrong to talk about that. He also said we weren't supposed to use artificial birth control. I can't stand Fr. John.
6. There is livelier music at the mega-church down the street (Nate rocks!), and the girls are much hotter ...
7. I don't really see much difference between Catholicism and any other faith ...

Now, this is just a sampling, but only one of the above was a daily-Mass Catholic, and my husband and I saw him back in the pews receiving the Eucharist a few months ago.

The rest of the group were Sunday-only (and not always on Sundays either) Catholics, and most belonged to a spiritually-weak parish, however, some just didn't like the "rules" of Catholicism. I realize it is the fault at times of the priest or pastor of a particular parish that his flock is not hearing the correct messages frequently (thus confusing them), but parishioners must pray for their priests, too.

However, I have no idea how a Catholic can remain strong in their faith by attending only on Sundays. (Can a runner win a marathon who jogs but once a week, or will they tucker out midway or before?) I've been a daily Mass Catholic for 26 years now, my husband, for almost double that amount, and the people who we attend daily Mass with (who are for the most part also avid Rosary-reciters and Adoration-attenders and even go to Confession:)) are not only married to the same person they were 26 years ago, but they have remained calm and at peace in their daily lives, even in the throes of adversity. This, in and of itself, is explanation enough (for many who are paying attention), as to what is missing in the Protestant or other non-Catholic denominations.

What's missing along with Confession/Adoration/intercessory prayers to Christ's mother and His saints, etc., is Jesus, His True Body, the Eucharistic Lord, and without it one cannot grow completely or find this peace. (I've read a number of comments from non-Catholics on this thread and others, and many do not come across as peaceful. Instead they are filled with sarcasm, misunderstanding, mockery, ignorance, anger, outright lies or deceiving half-truths, regarding the Catholic Church.)

A non-Catholic's poor interpretation of Scripture has dismissed the Body of Jesus, Our Risen Lord. What kind of horrible man would the Son of God be, to die on the Cross (after 33 years of teaching, loving, healing) and just split?

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him." --Jn 6:53-56

Catholics, please come home.

[count-your-change]

That assumption nonsense is from 4th or 5th cen. apocryphal writings. Not quite “always”.

[presently no screen name]

Catholics, please come home.

Those that left are NOT Catholics any longer. As much as the RCC wants to hang onto them.

Now they are CHRISTIANS who follow CHRIST just they way Jesus taught in HIS WORD.

Didn't see in the list - they left because of the deceptive man made teachings. Perhaps, they wanted to give the RCC some of their own medicine. Deceive me and I'll deceive you.

God's Word IS the FINAL AUTHORITY. His Word ALWAYS was from the beginning. It ALWAYS was and ALWAYS will be.

And there is NOTHING anyone can do about it. They can ridicule it, they can twist it, they can defy it w/man made teachings, they can refuse to obey it - but IT STILL STANDS as the FINAL AUTHORITY. The gates of hell shall not prevail against HIS CHURCH built on JESUS the Christ, who is THE LIVING WORD.

[presently no screen name]

The Church had always believed that Mary committed no sins and that her body was lifted to heaven upon apparent death or sleep.

No one is denying the RCC believes/teaches it. However, their man made teachings are outside of God's Word. That is a fact. Every person who ever lived was born w/original sin - Bible fact. And Mary being married to Joseph and having children is not a sin. It's amazing how the RCC can look into someone's soul to determine if they committed sin or born with sin. Did they read her mind, also? For even to 'think' on such... Mary knew she needed a Savior but the Vatican says 'no' - we vote you sinless. Arrogance knows no bounds, nor does evil. Nor do pawns of deception.

The Vatican has created the biggest con game on the world but, alas - the gates of hell shall not prevail against HIS CHURCH! And BHO pulled the biggest con game on America. As you see, deception is alive and well. Nothing new under the sun. Deception is satan's only weapon.

[bkaycee]

That assumption nonsense is from 4th or 5th cen. apocryphal writings. Not quite “always”.

Yes, Apocryphal and condemned writings declared heretical by the Pope.

But these same heretical writings are quoted in preference to scripture by todays RC's to "prove doctrines" unheard of in the early church for hundreds of years.

[mas cerveza por favor]

Mary knew she needed a Savior but the Vatican says 'no'

False assertion. Get your facts strait.

[OLD REGGIE]

You realize there is a schism between much of the East and Rome. Before the split, the majority Eastern view was correct. After the split, they wrongly rejected the primacy of Peter for political reasons. Many Eastern Orthodox wish to see and end to the schism. However, partisans of the schism falsely pretend to have maintained continuity with the beliefs before the split. These Eastern Orthodox say the Pope is "first among equals," whatever that means.

The majority Eastern view was correct before, and after, the split.

First Ecumenical Council - 325

Canonon VI
Let the ancient customs in Egypt, Libya and Pentapolis prevail, that the Bishop of Alexandria have jurisdiction in all these, since the like is customary for the Bishop of Rome also. Likewise in Antioch and the other provinces, let the Churches retain their privileges. And this is to be universally understood, that if any one be made bishop without the consent of the Metropolitan, the great Synod has declared that such a man ought not to be a bishop. If, however, two or three bishops shall from natural love of contradiction, oppose the common suffrage of the rest, it being reasonable and in accordance with the ecclesiastical law, then let the choice of the majority prevail.

The Bishop Of Rome (the Papacy had not yet been invented) did not have Primacy over the entire Church!

[bkaycee]

Catholics please come home.

Rome is not home for Christians. Heaven is home and my savior has gone there to make a home for me. I rest in His hands with His promise. John 3:16

[mas cerveza por favor]

If Mary’s body was not assumed to heaven, where are her relics? The Church, especially the Early Church, treasured the relics of her saints. Where are the relics of her most admired saint?

[presently no screen name]

Truth is in HIS WORD. Get what you call ‘facts’ straight.

What the RCC calls as ‘facts’ has NOTHING to do with THE TRUTH, the ONE and ONLY TRUTH, God’s Word.