In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[goat granny]

Oh Quix, you are being so cute with your pretty colors. Perhaps you all don't know scripture as well as you thought. What Jesus stated Paul was, is what Paul was..Your problem is with his words not mine..

When I asked the question originally, I did not know what Jesus called Paul. It was a sincere question but with the scripture that was brought up, I went to Acts and found out for myself....Seems there is a lot of pride and very little humility if one cannot say I didn't know Jesus called Paul his instrument and not his apostle....

You all seem to have a problem with the word of our Lord as it relates to Paul....I may call him a Saint, but not an apostle. I will not put words into Christs mouth that he did not speak.....

I found the answer to my question, thank you all for your input. Perhaps the Holy Spirit guided me to my answer...

[goat granny]

As I stated Paul called himself that....Jesus called him an instrument to bring the gospel to the gentiles....go argue with Jesus not me...I found my answer.

[goat granny]

Find the answer to your own question, I did...

[Natural Law]

"Large masses of them, in fact."

Are we still discussing theological miscreants or semiconductor theory?

[MarkBsnr]

Are we still discussing theological miscreants or semiconductor theory?

Both, I suspect. Only some Christian theology seems to make it through to them.

[goat granny]

Finally someone said as I did that Paul called himself an apostle. To me that neither adds or takes away from Paul's mission, but he took the word himself....12 tribes, 12 apostles, and one who took it upon himself to say he was also. He was given a vital job in spreading the Gospel, but as an instrument of Christ as Christ called him.. Thank you for your well stated answer.. Since Paul was not a follower of Jesus, was not at his baptism, was not at Pentecost, did not follow his preaching, was not at his Crucifixion, was not one to be at his resurrection etc. is probably the reason Christ used the word instrument to bring the gospel etc...

Let all face the fact that Christ could have said to Paul, I call you as one of my apostles, but he did not.

Those that think he called Paul to be an apostle are greatly mistaken. They seem to know more about the calling Christ gave Paul than Christ does..

Paul can call himself anything he wants, that doesn't make it so according to scripture and Christs own words...

I would have to have someone show me not what Paul or the early church called him, but what Jesus Christ called him...

[smvoice]

Seems you're not alone in questioning Paul's apostleship, goat granny. There were some in Corinth who questioned his apostleship, too. And he answered them:

"Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are ye not my work in the Lord? If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord." 2 Cor. 9:1,2.

Paul used the figure of a "seal" to express the fact that their own conversion was proof of his apostolic authority.

Also read 2 Cor. 12:12. Paul says that truly the signs of an apostle were wrought by him among the Corinthians. In signs and wonders, and mighty deeds.

[Natural Law]

"Following "another Christ" and "other Mediators" and a "co-redeemer" only leads to frustration and remorse."

Since you are always trying to link the Catholic Church to any bizarre coincidence of time or geography I thought it would be interesting to explore the not so coincidental fact that Reformation Day and Halloween, the high holy day of pagans and the occult, are both on the same day................ Care to opine?

[Jaded]

Weren’t you saying on ANOTHER thread recently, that it against the RULES to 1)drag over quotes from other threads AND 2) not pinging the poster? Do the rules not apply do you, Dr?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I thought it would be interesting to explore the not so coincidental fact that Reformation Day and Halloween,

Happy to provide you with a history lesson...

Martin Luther posted the Ninety-five Theses on the door of the church at Wittenberg on October 31, 1517, because the next day, November 1, was a holy day, All Saints Day, when all the church hierarchy would be assembled.

Back then the church door was like a community bulletin board. Luther knew his written objections to Romanist sacrilege would be discussed the next day.

And so it was.

Here are Luther's Ninety-five Theses for your edification...

NINETY-FIVE THESES

The eve before all All Saints Day is the Night of the Dead which turned into Halloween. Roman Catholics developed this holiday since they generally feast before they fast, i.e. Mardi Gras.

[smvoice]

Beautiful history lesson!

The Roman Catholics are johnny on the spot when it comes to incorporating pagan rituals/celebrations into their religion. Weird how it just seems to flow easily from one group to the next. Does anyone have any information on how many pagans rejected their former beliefs for Catholic beliefs once they joined the church? Or is it a Haiti/South American voodoo/catholic merging of convenience meant to satisfy all who enter? And no one has to reject anything, as long as Mass is performed and Eucharist is taken literally. Unity, you know...

[annalex]

"The Holy Inquisition in its full vigor is something modernity sorely lacks" -- 328 posted on 08/01/2008 4:59:56 PM PDT by annalex

Thank you for the accurate quote. Indeed.

I do prefer to be pinged when quoted though.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The fact you’re proud of that appalling statement continues to mystify Christians.

[esquirette]

Where my responses are in-artful,I apologize. I am also sorry that you believe as you do.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Does anyone have any information on how many pagans rejected their former beliefs for Catholic beliefs once they joined the church? Or is it a Haiti/South American voodoo/catholic merging of convenience meant to satisfy all who enter?

That's a reasonable conclusion from the evidence.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all the sins of all of His people. Otherwise, He failed, and that cannot be.

John says that he who continues in sin has neither seen Him nor known Him, so that continuing in sin argument is a distinction without a difference. Those who know Him will avoid sin.

We will always sin more than we repent. We have no idea of our effect on this world and on others.

But most importantly, if we deny a limited atonement, we take away the greatest hope, for it is clear that not all men will be saved.

AMEN! If God wanted all men to be saved, all men would be saved.

“. . .if you believe that Christ died for all men in the same way, then the benefits of the cross cannot include the mercy by which we are brought to faith, because then all men would be brought to faith, but they aren’t. But if the mercy by which we are brought to faith (irresistible grace) is not part of what Christ purchased on the cross, then we are left to save ourselves from the bondage of sin, the hardness of heart, the blindness of corruption, and the wrath of God.

“Therefore it becomes evident that it is not the Calvinist who limits the atonement. It is the Arminian, because he denies that the atoning death of Christ accomplishes what we most desperately need — namely, salvation from the condition of deadness and hardness and blindness under the wrath of God. The Arminian limits the nature and value and effectiveness of the atonement so that he can say that it was accomplished even for those who die in unbelief and are condemned. In order to say that Christ died for all men in the same way, the Arminian must limit the atonement to a powerless opportunity for men to save themselves from their terrible plight of depravity.” ~John Piper

Grace accomplishes that which God ordains. Grace is not speculative; it is transformative.

Thank God.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Weren’t you saying on ANOTHER thread recently, that it against the RULES to 1)drag over quotes from other threads AND 2) not pinging the poster?

1) The rule is not that we can't reference quotes from other threads and other conversations, but that we shouldn't drag contentious, personal arguments from one thread to another.

2) No, that wasn't me.

[Quix]

Carrying assaultive-to persons-posting from thread to thread is what I understand is forbidden.

And carrying arguments from thread to thread that have no business being on other threads.