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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: Natural Law

And further, if JPII’s smooching of the Koran is showing love for his enemies, when will one of your popes kiss the “Institutes of the Christian Relgion?”


1,661 posted on 11/13/2010 9:58:07 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"And further, if JPII’s smooching of the Koran is showing love for his enemies, when will one of your popes kiss the “Institutes of the Christian Relgion?”

touche'

1,662 posted on 11/13/2010 10:00:41 AM PST by circlecity
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To: mas cerveza por favor
“No, you must have never learned history. The Spanish Inquisition was only concerned with public, baptized Catholics. Jews and Muslims were outside of its scope.”

By the time the Spanish Inquisition began under the Catholic Isabella and Ferdinand, hundreds of thousands of Jews had been driven out of Spain and those remaining forced into baptism as Catholics, the “conversos”.
Sextus IV issued an order authorizing the Inquisition and put it under control of the bishops.

Since those accused had their property confiscated both the monarchy and the Catholic Church had s strong profit motive for condemning Jews to the Inquisition and in today money hundreds of millions of dollars worth of property was stolen and ended up in the coffers of the state and state Catholic Church.

“It is unlikely that modern states would pass similar laws against heresy.”

You must never have learned history.

1,663 posted on 11/13/2010 10:12:58 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: RnMomof7

Now now . . .

Sounds like you’re casting aspersions

on the

GREAT hallowed

!!!!TRADITION!!!!

Of dogma by White Hanky . . .

Once a year . . . on Halloween,

Mary and the Great Pumpkin collaborate to refine, propagate, pontificate, profligate and otherwise concoct and disperse new idolatrous, blasphemous heresies pretending to be old wive’s tales from the crypt as though they were freshly minted in Heaven.

Mary distributes them atop all the large Pumpkins and the faithful sheeple collect them before midnight on Halloween for publishing in the Vatican paper . . . not realizing they serve as quite a contrast alongside the more credible articles on the Vatican’s latest assertions about UFO’s.

If the White Hankys with the new dogmas scribbled on them are not collected before midnight on Halloween, they turn into pixie dust. Black pixie dust. Makes a real mess when trying to carve a decent Jack-O-Lantern or make a decent pumpkin pie.


1,664 posted on 11/13/2010 10:18:35 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
It is ceaselessly amazing . . . how BRAZENLY OBTUSE and straight-fingered the falsehoods fly . . . when the Vatican decides to fling about more of their RUBBERIZED HYSTERICAL HISTORIES.

Perhaps the most welcome thing about such irrational idiocies is that it makes so many of the RC's and particularly the more rabid RC's look like utter

REVISIONIST BRAVE NEW WORLD/ 1984/ MARXIST/ . . . OUT-OF-THE-REMOTEST-TOUCH-WITH-REALITY TYRANTS OF THOUGHT AND PSEUDO-REALITY . . . as well as purveyors of the worst of RELIGIOUS charlatanism.

The Vatican Alice In Wonderland School of Theology and Reality Mangling makes other even very fringe "Christian" groups look absolutely orthodox by comparison. Fascinating.

1,665 posted on 11/13/2010 10:29:07 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; annalex
You know, we can argue theology all day long, but this kind of historical revisionism is sick and disgusting

What have I said that is revisionist or untrue? Please be specific.

, and permits people like annalex to call for a return to the Inquisition.

Why are you against taking the necessary steps to oust the homosexual bishops?

1,666 posted on 11/13/2010 10:29:16 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: circlecity; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; metmom

I know. I know teacher, call on me . . .

When the holy water freezes over?


1,667 posted on 11/13/2010 10:30:30 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
this kind of historical revisionism is sick and disgusting,.... and permits people like annalex to call for a return to the Inquisition......But not everyone is as ignorant of history

It's more than annoying the distortions which occur from those who attempt to justify their positions....and some of those positions are just sick...that mindset mimics those who basically called for the Inquistion in the first place. No different than the Moslems call in Jihad IMO.

1,668 posted on 11/13/2010 10:30:43 AM PST by caww
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Why are you against taking the necessary steps to oust the homosexual bishops?

lol. "The "necessary steps" to "oust the bishops" are right in front of your eyes. Even Donald Trump knows how to do it.

YOU'RE FIRED!

Read the link I offered you. The Inquisition was NOT "only concerned with public, baptized Catholics." Nor were "Jews and Muslims outside of its scope."

1,669 posted on 11/13/2010 10:38:44 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Ah...the “good old days” when a week-end barby was fun...and profitable!
1,670 posted on 11/13/2010 10:45:00 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Yes, and let’s be realistic. the only reason for this kind of lunacy is politics and power. No better way to get rid of troublesome types (people who refuse to think the same as Rome)than hold an inquisition. the ones who can will flee the country, but the ones who cant flee are massacred. then the little problem is gone, plus their property, wealth, businesses are now taken over by the victors. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, they all learned well from history.


1,671 posted on 11/13/2010 11:02:32 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom
Been there, done that and know LOTS of other Catholics who thought that way.

Yep, that is surely the way it looks from many of my interactions in the real world too. You really are doing a great job doing the heavy lifting on this thread. Thanks for all the pings.

1,672 posted on 11/13/2010 11:07:48 AM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: count-your-change
By the time the Spanish Inquisition began under the Catholic Isabella and Ferdinand, hundreds of thousands of Jews had been driven out of Spain

That did not happen until 14 years after the start of the Inquisition.

those remaining forced into baptism as Catholics, the "conversos".

Nobody was forced to convert. Those who did knew they would be under the authority of the Church.

the monarchy and the Catholic Church had s strong profit motive for condemning Jews to the Inquisition

By "Jews" you are referring to voluntary Catholic converts and their children (often by marriage with non-converts)? Jewish Converts were judged by the same standard as any other Catholic. The Spanish Inquisition was very scrupulous and the vast majority of people investigated were never convicted. Those convicted were guilty of working to destroy the church and state. Many Bishops and top government officials fell into this category.

in today money hundreds of millions of dollars worth of property was stolen and ended up in the coffers of the state and state Catholic Church.

LOL. Yes this must seem shocking by today's standards when the rich (especially bankers) are not prosecuted for breaking the law. Wealth provides the means to bribe politicians. If rich gangsters are not taken down, they will corrupt society. In Catholic Spain, the rich had to follow the same rules as everybody else. That is why the Inquisition enjoyed huge popular support among the middle class and poor.

1,673 posted on 11/13/2010 11:33:44 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: boatbums; metmom; presently no screen name
My thinking on this is that if Satan can get someone to believe they add to the work of Christ by their own efforts, then they are not really trusting or believing in Jesus Christ as savior and will not be saved. How easily he slips into men's hearts through the doorway of pride. Some are just wide-open.

Spot on and Amen! satan loves DIY Christianity.

John 3:27-30 : 27 To this John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. 28 You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.’ 29 The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30 He must become greater; I must become less.

It is a pity that some reverse this and lower Christ in order to elevate themselves or others who left this earth long ago.

1,674 posted on 11/13/2010 12:09:40 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: mas cerveza por favor; metmom
The offices of priest or bishop were instituted by Christ as conduits for His blessings that come from Christ. The personal faults of the man do not affect the blessings.

Could you show us where Christ instituted a priesthood in the NT ? Where He instituted a papacy?

This theology is made up out of Whole cloth

1,675 posted on 11/13/2010 12:21:46 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Let Jesus be Jesus. You have no authority to redefine His teaching. I could understand if you had questions about the historical authenticity of Church teaching and wanted to investigate further, but you are not saying that. You pronounce your own infallible doctrine heedless of what Jesus taught, implying that your authority is greater than His.

Could you point us to the infallible teachings on Jesus's teachings on apostolic succession, the papacy, immaculate conception, assumption, 7 sacraments...etc.. I am interested in their infallible roots

1,676 posted on 11/13/2010 12:25:13 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Loving our enemies" does not include embracing, kissing, bowing down before and thereby condoning the words of the Koran which deny Christ and call for the slaughter of Christians. It was a sinful act on the part of JPII to kiss the Koran. Only God's mercy will have kept him from burning in hell for it.

Well he did flog himself, does that take care of it?

1,677 posted on 11/13/2010 12:26:48 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The "necessary steps" to "oust the bishops" are right in front of your eyes. Even Donald Trump knows how to do it. YOU'RE FIRED!

No bishop can be deposed from office without a full and intensive investigation, i.e. inquisition.

Read the link I offered you. The Inquisition was NOT "only concerned with public, baptized Catholics." Nor were "Jews and Muslims outside of its scope."

Your selective quoting of me is deceitful. I said "The Spanish Inquisition was only concerned with public, baptized Catholics. Jews and Muslims were outside of its scope." Your source says that Jews were persecuted in France but does not dispute what I said.

1,678 posted on 11/13/2010 12:44:22 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg
The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II....Holy Inquisition has renewed and restored the hierarchy repeatedly. It will eventually be brought back and the ranks of bishops and priests will be cleansed once again.

If John Paul II was in charge, the "Holy" Inquisition would never touch him. He is, after all, the leader of the Church. What the Inquisition really advocates is those enemies of the Pope to be "cleansed". So, in a very real sense the Inquisition (not withstanding the Jews and Muslims who were burned at the state) really got rid of the "good" Catholics who disagreed with the Church while reinforcing the bad. By nature, if you disagreed with the Church's right to have an Inquisition, then you must be a heretic subject to the Inquisition. Instead of purging itself of corrupt people at the top, the Church reinforced corruption while eliminating true believers.

Those who were unhappy with Catholic doctrine who weren't murdered left. Hence you see the Orthodox leaving in 1000AD, you see people leaving in the 13th century with the Church imposed requirement to fight in "Holy" Wars, and again the Reformers leaving in 1500AD because of the false doctrine. All the while Catholics keep yelling they are the true Church. A more modern approach for Protestants is that people who are not happy just simply pick up their share of the denomination and walk out; not unlike the Lutherans or Presbyterians. Unfortunately, this isn't an option for the "true" Church.

You will never cleanse the ranks of bishops and priests because the whole system is corrupted. What are you going to do about the homosexual Cardinals? And one day, probably not in the too distance future, you will most likely have a homosexual Pope. Is it any wonder that most Catholics today are Catholics in name only?

1,679 posted on 11/13/2010 12:52:15 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: annalex; presently no screen name
What others thought about Jesus’s family does not prove they were biological children on Mary, but merely that they were from the same household. Further, the word “brother” in antuique usage is not limited to chidlren of the same parents; see for example Lot and Abraham are said to be “brothers”

The art of misdirection works only with the "innocent". I have learned to expect a change of subject when the "apologist" is confronted with an apparent contradiction. May we return to your claim concerniing a "brother" of Jesus and his mother being named?

(annalex) "She did not have any other children. "Brothers" of Christ are indeed mentioned, but, curious thing, every time a "brother" of Jesus is mentioned by name, his mother also is mentioned and she is not Mary."

MATTHEW - NAB
13:55 Is he not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?

As Bill O'Reilly would say "tell me where I am going wrong"? It appears to me that "brother" and his mother "Mary" are mentioned in the same verse. Where is my error? Were the people thinking of another carpenter's son?

1,680 posted on 11/13/2010 1:49:40 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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