Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.'
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
Well, you know yourself how difficult it can be hold our temper back when our own beliefs are challenged, and our doctrines that we hold dear are criticized. But I know, too, that it's not just talking about a football team and a game or even something that I myself created like a song or a painting. Those kinds of things are personal and nobody likes to be criticized or insulted in that realm. It takes a lot of fortitude to be judged on our own accomplishments.
Our Christian faith has to be entirely different in that sense. It is not just an individual or personal area and it affects others in ways that deal with ours and their eternal consequences. Our faith, though we call it that, is not really "ours" but a shared one and one that is encompassing across time and distance. It is the same faith that was originally taught by Jesus Christ himself and is still just as relevant to us today as it was 2000 years ago.
I admit that I sometimes dislike the discourse on these forums. I try very hard to stay away from posting unless I feel God telling me to add something of value to the discussion. I don't really think anyone here is purposely viscous or hurtful. The best advice is to be responsible for only what you post and ignore comments that do not add substance to the discussion. If anyone "lies", the lie should be exposed by the truth, not just empty insults. There are many people who read these forums that we never hear from, so speak to them if you can't tolerate answering the offending poster.
Some unasked for advice, but I hope it helps you.
Great scripture reference....also the thief on the cross had nothing more than to appeal to Christ and he did just that..nothing more.
I don’t know exactly why people determine all the other “stuff” is required. Granted as we grow in Christ and know Him more we learn more as a result, but it all comes thru Him...and rather than required we seek to let Him live His life thru us, the problems come when we get in the way.
“And refresh my memory.... How many thread have you been kicked off of for such behavior already?”
Touche’!
Exactly
Just show us where Mary was held up by Christ or the apostles or authors of scripture as Immaculate conception, that she never sinned or is seated at a throne next to Jesus ...all of that goddess theology came after Constantine paganize the church
You left the Church yourself. No one could have plucked you out, in full accordance with John 10:27-30, which, of course, is a Catholic teaching, because it is in the Bible.
We don't. If it is in the scripture, we teach it. That is because we are Catholic. You, Protestants, on the other hand, base your teachings on stuff that Lutehr invented out of thin air contradicted by the scripture on every page. Christ never taught the ugly idea that faith alone without collaboration with grace through good works can save a man. Yet that it the foundational lie of your heretical faith.
Because you can't read?
I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever[...]
the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you
(John 14)
hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:14)
The Bible does not contain a direct evidence that Mary had other biological children, because the word “brother” is often referring to relative not of the same mother. Ane example of that is Abram and Lot who are said to be “brothers” yet the Bible teaches that they were not. When they are listed by name, their mother is also listed and she is Mary Cleopas. From the Bible alone it is possible to conclude that Mary had other children, but it is also possibleto conclude that she did not. The latter is what the Church teaches based on the knowledge that the Church revceived from Mary herself. The former is an invention of mariophobic Protestants who seriously think that the Mother of God, after giving a miraculous birth to the divine Son, proceeded to fool around with her husband nd obliterate the proof of that very miracle.
It is important because it is the truth. She could have had other children; that would have been consistent with her married status and certainly no sin. She just didn't, so it is a lie to say that she did. Lying is wrong. To confront a liar is good. We are Catholics, we do what is good and avoid doing what is wrong. You should do the same.
It is important because it is the truth.
Yet the assertion is completely unsubstantiated. Rather, we have plenty of passages that say that Mary had children who were Jesus' brothers and sisters.
The Bible does not contain a direct evidence that Mary had other biological children, because the word “brother” is often referring to relative not of the same mother.
Then you should be easily able to provide an example of where this is so in the NT. Merely declaring that "brother" always means "cousin" is the argument of fools. And we aren't fools, so try a little harder to prove that Mary was indeed a sinner in denying her husband the foundational commands of God "The two shall cleave together" and "be fruitful and multiply". Because that is what you are saying, that Mary willfully violated the first and foundational commands of God.
This Mary idolatry is getting out of hand. She indeed gave birth to the Messiah, and she did indeed enjoy her husband and bore him, in obedience to God, many children.
Then why, if the Catholic church wrote the Bible, did it have Paul make that the major theme of his epistles so that it is so easily misunderstood?
Here in Jesus own words, only the new birth is necessary. He says nothing about works.
John 6:29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Even the publican was considered justified by Jesus simply for asking God for mercy. There's the thief on the cross who did nothing but believe. All of Galatians is a treatise on faith instead of works.
Now, just whose responsibility is it then that all this and far more is in the Bible to begin with, (according to the Catholic church?)
Don't give us any of this nonsense that Luther invented these things out of thin air when anyone can get it out of the Bible that you guys claim you wrote.
Ephesians 2:1-10 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever
[...]
the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you
(John 14)
hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:14)
That's a ridiculous argument. Those verses don't give anyone license to make things up and teach them as fact because their tradition says that their tradition on equal footing with Scripture.
Word of mouth over hundreds or thousands of years WILL be corrupted and is unreliable.
At the very least, if He was tempted in every way just as we are and is without sin, He HAD to have had siblings..... There's nothing like them to try the content of your character.
That aside, why is it so important to Catholics that Mary always have been a virgin, even after the birth of Christ and that He not have had any brothers or sisters?
What's so wrong about sex between a husband and wife that Mary couldn't have done it and had other children?
Where does Scripture say that Mary was always a virgin?
If it’s so important, why didn’t the Catholic church include that in the Bible when they *wrote* it?
How do you KNOW for sure that Mary was always a virgin anyway?
Even if, and that’s a big if, she and Joseph had no other children, that is no indicator of their sex life.
Christ never taught the ugly idea that faith alone without collaboration with grace through good works can save a man. Yet that it the foundational lie of your heretical faith.
Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” 50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
Rom 4:4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness
Rome formally denounced the saving Gospel at Trent.
And just who was it that spoke these words????
Oh, look at that. It was PETER HIMSELF.
Imagine that......
Because indelicate language is the greatest sin on the RF. Doing it is fine, saying it is verboten, and actually pointing it out is unforgivable.
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