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To: Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; RnMomof7
Rome must diminish Scripture

We don't. If it is in the scripture, we teach it. That is because we are Catholic. You, Protestants, on the other hand, base your teachings on stuff that Lutehr invented out of thin air contradicted by the scripture on every page. Christ never taught the ugly idea that faith alone without collaboration with grace through good works can save a man. Yet that it the foundational lie of your heretical faith.

1,368 posted on 11/11/2010 5:33:48 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...
. That is because we are Catholic. You, Protestants, on the other hand, base your teachings on stuff that Lutehr [sic] invented out of thin air contradicted by the scripture on every page. Christ never taught the ugly idea that faith alone without collaboration with grace through good works can save a man. Yet that it the foundational lie of your heretical faith.

Then why, if the Catholic church wrote the Bible, did it have Paul make that the major theme of his epistles so that it is so easily misunderstood?

Here in Jesus own words, only the new birth is necessary. He says nothing about works.

John 6:29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Even the publican was considered justified by Jesus simply for asking God for mercy. There's the thief on the cross who did nothing but believe. All of Galatians is a treatise on faith instead of works.

Now, just whose responsibility is it then that all this and far more is in the Bible to begin with, (according to the Catholic church?)

Don't give us any of this nonsense that Luther invented these things out of thin air when anyone can get it out of the Bible that you guys claim you wrote.

Ephesians 2:1-10 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

1,373 posted on 11/11/2010 6:49:43 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex
Christ never taught the ugly idea that faith alone without collaboration with grace through good works can save a man. Yet that it the foundational lie of your heretical faith.

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” 50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Rom 4:4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness

Rome formally denounced the saving Gospel at Trent.

1,378 posted on 11/11/2010 7:37:54 AM PST by bkaycee
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