Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Looks like you really hit a nerve.....
If you do not accept that the Catholic Church is the True Church then it doesn't matter what they say. It seems that you insist that other believe as you do and are opposed to free speech or the freedom of religion for others.
What a red herring.
Nobody gives a rip about what Catholics do behind closed doors. The conversation was about unsubstantiated claims, not any Catholic's private lives.
The conversation went thus....
Rnmom:"The pagan transformation of Christianity demanded a Goddess"
NL: Is that something you can substantiate or is it something else you pulled out of your dubious or banned sources?
Smv: THis question coming from someone who believes in Mary's "Immaculate Conception" and "Bodily Assumption"?!?!?! Substantiate THESE please, or are they something else you pulled out of your dubious doctrines and traditions? THe irony is just so obvious, yet evidently lost on your entire religious system..
No mention of any Catholic's personal life was made.
Why did you feel it necessary to change the topic?
I don’t think Henry VIII’s character requires any additional assassination.
What's been suggested most is that Mary we perpetually a virgin because she was sinless, thus implying that her having sex with her husband would have been a sin.
At least every time I've tried to find out why, the response is always that; that she was sinless.
It fits right in with what you suggested there.
Now, didn’t you just long for reason in debate? Re-read you post, and improve on it, with that in mind, please.
If the Church had not needed the scripture, she would not have given it to the world. But, self-evidently, the Church would have done fine if for some reason the scripture were not around, just like she did in the beginning of her existence. The Church that Christ built is the foundation of the scripture, not the other way around.
The conversation was about unsubstantiated claims about what the Catholics believe and why a bunch of old busybodies would spend so much time over it. Its just because Presbyterians and Calvinists cannot tolerate anyone openly believing anything different that they do.
You tell us. Your posting history is replete with that.
I think malicious busybodies accurately characterizes them.
And Catholics by the standard you just set up in the previous sentence.
Powerless in their own lives and powerless to make changes in that which they criticize they make strawmen that they can feel superior to, even when deep inside they realize the irony of the lie.
And you (again) by the standard you just set up in the sentence before last.
It seems that you also fail to see the irony in the statements you made about non-Catholics.
I converted from the Russian Orthodox Church and love it. It would never occur to me to “lash out” at it. I denounce Protestantism because it is wrong, not because it did anything to me.
Why would we want to do that? We are in harmony with the Holy Scripture as written. You, however, contradict the plain word of it in your foundational heresies.
The Catholic church claims to have written the Bible and takes credit for it and yet it and Catholics castigate anyone who wants to get back to it as a source of truth for what to believe.
Did the Catholic church err in writing it? Why are we wrong, then, for wanting to use it as the standard of truth?
The irony continues to abound.
Somethings never change. Calvinists are incapable of accepting that others reject their beliefs and are completely intolerant of the existance of opposing thought. Its been around for a long time and is not an opinion shared exclusively by Catholics. I'll let you ponder the following Thomas Jefferson quotations:
"I had no idea, however, that in Pennsylvania, the cradle of toleration and freedom of religion, it [fanaticism] could have arisen to the height you describe. This must be owing to the growth of Presbyterianism. The blasphemy of the five points of Calvin, and the impossibility of defending them, render their advocates impatient of reasoning, irritable, and prone to denunciation"
"Their ambition and tyranny would tolerate no rival if they had power. Systematical in grasping at an ascendancy over all other sects, they aim, like the Jesuits, at engrossing the education of the country, are hostile to every institution they do not direct, and jealous at seeing others begin to attend at all to that object."
"I join you, therefore, in sincere congratulations that this den of the priesthood is at length broken up, and that a Protestant Popedom is no longer to disgrace the American history and character."
"The Presbyterian clergy are the loudest, the most intolerant of all sects; the most tyrannical and ambitious, ready at the word of the law-giver, if such a word could now be obtained, to put their torch to the pile, and to rekindle in this virgin hemisphere the flame in which their oracle, Calvin, consumed the poor Servetus, because he could not subscribe to the proposition of Calvin, that magistrates have a right to exterminate all heretics to the Calvinistic creed! They pant to re-establish by law that holy inquisition which they can now only infuse into public opinion"
"His [Calvin's] religion was demonism. If ever man worshiped a false God, he did. The being described in his five points is ... a demon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin"
Just HOW did the Catholic Church write the Bible? All the authors were Jewish. Are you saying, NL, that the Catholic Church replaced Israel?
Thank you very much for the kind words. I enjoy explaining the Catholic faith and welcome questions about it.
However, I don’t think “whitewash” applies to anyone whose posts I have read. Often, the Catholic teaching is indeed complex. When confronted with simple slogans, a Catholic tends to lose balance because a serious response would require patience and time. That at times comes across as dissembling.
Then why are Protestants castigated for wanting to return to it and use IT as the point of authority for spiritual matters?
Can you say "Inquisition"?
Why is that, annalex?
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2 Cor. 11:3.
Thanks for noticing the distinction, that I didn't say even that. Obviously we need the Holy Scripture since we refer to is constantly, and it is the Catholic Church that gave it to the world in the first place. You offered a hypothetical that wihtout the Scripture the Church would be nothing, and I corrected that by pointing out that it would simply replace the manner of the teaching but not the essence of it, since we still would have the same Sacred Tradition that was the foundation of the Scripture. And, of course, the sacraments of the Church -- the core if her function -- would not be affected at all.
Well, I don't cease to point out that Luther developed his system in contradiction of the scripture, and I bring up the scripture that he contradicted constantly. If that validates him, your criteria of validity must be quite peculiar.
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