In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[boatbums]

So, why does the RCC teach a non-issue as a matter of doctrine? Why make it doctrine?

Not only doctrine, but a necessary, salvific dogma. They even go so far as to say those who do not accept it as truth, are anathema!

[metmom]

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

[RnMomof7]

So, why does the RCC teach a non-issue as a matter of doctrine? Why make it doctrine?

The pagan transformation of Christianity demanded a Goddess

[Natural Law]

"What is of more interest is not whether Mary had other children, which she clearly did because Scripture clearly teaches so, but WHY it’s so important to Catholics to portray Mary as having always been a virgin when..."

What is of even more interest is WHY it is so many non-Catholics get their collective knickers in a twist over what Catholics believe.......

Maybe it is a Nun issue (as in nun ya damned bidness).

[metmom]

God is Truth. Whatever is a lie is not of God.

Teaching that Mary was always a virgin is a lie because Scripture is very clear that she didn’t remain a virgin after Jesus was born, that she and Joseph had normal marital relations and other children as a result.

So, just why is it that Catholics are so fixated on Mary’s alleged perpetual virginity to the point of teaching it as a fact, contrary to Scripture?

[metmom]

Maybe it is a Nun issue (as in nun ya damned bidness).

Ooooo, you're so clever.

I never heard that one before.....

[metmom]

Maybe it is a Nun issue (as in nun ya damned bidness).

I take it swearing at others is not a mortal sin. Saturday is still three days away.

[Natural Law]

"The pagan transformation of Christianity demanded a Goddess"

Is that something you can substantiate or is it something else you pulled out of your dubious or banned sources?

[Natural Law]

"I take it swearing at others is not a mortal sin."

Show me where I swore or sinned? Damnation and condemnation are both well founded in Protestant dogma. It doesn't even qualify as a venial sin.

[presently no screen name]

The prophecy wasn’t that she always remain a virgin. So, why does the RCC teach a non-issue as a matter of doctrine?

Good point - it should give Catholics something to ponder.

Remember, the RCC also teaches she was born w/o original sin.

Since we know satan is a counterfeit and that he always wanted to be like God, what better way to come against WHO God is? Raise up man to be like HIM. They are saying Mary was born sinless. Always a virgin, always pure. When it is JESUS Who is the ONLY one born sinless, always pure and undefiled. If there was one 'man' born sinless, there would be no need for Christ. So Jesus is not the only Savior, the RCC says there is a co-redeemer, Jesus is not the only mediator, you go through Mary.

The list is endless on how many Scriptures the RCC have negated and/or twisted it's meaning. That's why they need the Catechism, doctrine, tradition. That's why they need to interpret Scripture for their flock. And who did God use to set the captives free - Luther. Light exposes the dark/deception.

God is EVER FAITHFUL to His Word.
Luke 8:17 "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

We know from the beginning it is satan who twisted The Word of GOD. Nothing new under the sun. Jesus built His Church on who He is, The Son of the Most High God; the counterfeit built his church by who he is - a counterfeit, the master of lies/deception.

[presently no screen name]

Maybe it is a Nun issue (as in nun ya damned bidness).

Are you in the HABIT of saying that?

[smvoice]

"The pagan transformation of Christianity demanded a Goddess"

Natural Law asked: Is that something you can substantiate or is it something else you pulled out of your dubious or banned sources?

THis question coming from someone who believes in Mary's "Immaculate Conception" and "Bodily Assumption"?!?!?! Substantiate THESE please, or are they something else you pulled out of your dubious doctrines and traditions? THe irony is just so obvious, yet evidently lost on your entire religious system..

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Natural Law]

" THe irony is just so obvious, yet evidently lost on your entire religious system."

What a bunch of old busibodies. So wrapped up in what those darned Catholics are doing and believing behind closed doors they are perfectly willing to ignore Muslims sawing off the heads of Christians and Jews and the leftists aborting millions of babies per year.

[bkaycee]

So, just why is it that Catholics are so fixated on Mary’s alleged perpetual virginity to the point of teaching it as a fact, contrary to Scripture?

I think its because they consider sex within marriage dirty, certainly not Godly and Mary would never do that.

Combine that with the surrounding cultural goddess worship, hundreds of years of traditions of men, medival superstitions, biblical neglect and VOILA!

[smvoice]

What does this have to do with paganism, and Mary, and the irony of your post? Get a grip, NL. The last time you went off, it resulted in an attempted internet exorcism. You are the one demanding proof of ‘unsubstantiated claims’. Don’t get itchy with me. Just get your ‘substantiated claims’ together and post them. Otherwise, if the prada fits....

[Natural Law]

"Get a grip, NL."

It has nothing to do with paganism and that is precisely the point. You are perfectly free to believe or not believe anything you want. The same goes for anyone on these threads, but you (pl) don't get to make unsubstantiated false claims and lie about what I or Catholics in general believe and then demand that the refutation be substantiated. 99/100 time even the substantiation is rejected in favor of even bigger lies dredged up off of suspect or banned websites.

It still puzzles me, though, why anyone would spend so many waking moments in a finite life dredging up false accusations and misinterpretations of the inner workings and dearest beliefs of an organization they don't belong to and don't intend to join. I think malicious busybodies accurately characterizes them. Powerless in their own lives and powerless to make changes in that which they criticize they make strawmen that they can feel superior to, even when deep inside they realize the irony of the lie.

[boatbums]

Damnation and condemnation are both well founded in Protestant dogma.

Why knot your knickers over what Protestants believe, then?

[presently no screen name]

What is of even more interest is WHY it is so many non-Catholics get their collective knickers in a twist over what Catholics believe.......

That's rich considering it's Catholics who want others to believe the RCC is the true church.

The only thing true about the RCC is they want their flock to submit to the doctrine/traditions of man - which oppose God's Word. So much so, they have their own bible - the catechism, doctrine and tradition and wrapped it in some Scripture for a 'cover'.

So the interest for Christians lies in The Vatican proclaiming they are the true church when their own beliefs/teachings clearly show it is not.

[smvoice]

That’s the point of irony, NL. Let’s take Mary’s Assumption for one example. It is not a lie to claim that Catholics believe that Mary was assumed to heaven. So, as a non-believer in that claim, why can’t I ask that to be substantiated? It is not biblical. OTOH, when someone else claims that Mary worship is pagan in origin, as a non-believer you should be able to ask that it be substantiated. But do NOT demand that one produce evidence while another is just accepted without question. Which is what you attempted to do. THAT is the irony. I’m not outraged that you cannot/will not prove your conviction. I’m just not buying it. I consider it a lie. Just like you consider paganism regarding Mary a lie. It’s like you want to believe what you believe and state it without anyone disagreeing. That works in a caucus thread but not on open threads. Believe what you want, but just because your religion teaches/believes it doesn’t make it true for everyone.