Posted on 10/25/2010 10:39:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
There are those who would call evil good and good evil.
These same people would also have a hard time with Moses and Elijah appearing as disembodied spirits to Peter, James and John on the Mt. of Transfiguration with Christ.
The Mormons don’t pray to the dead, they do their work for them, and they can choose to accept it or not.
I have to wonder how these people who trash the LDS think of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison after his death. Why did he do this, if it’s all over after this life? Only a small fraction of God’s children have ever heard of the gospel or even Christ. One can’t pick and choose from the bible or the gospel. It’s not a buffet table to take what we don’t like and leave the rest. It’s all or nothing.
The Mormons don’t pray to the dead, they do their work for them, and they can choose to accept it or not.
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OK give us a blow by blow description of how that works...
Just your normal” every day scenerio of your typical “event” will do...
1 The person dies
2 ????
3 ???
and so on...
Lights camera action...
2. Christ preaches to that person in spirit prison.
- 1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison.
- 1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
3. The essential ordinance of baptism is preformed by proxy, some accept it, some do not.
- 1 Corinthians 15:
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? I know how you feel about Mormons and Mormonism TN, you've made that crystal clear. I know you don't agree with our doctrine, but I'm not here to debate this endlessly with you, that does neither of us any good. Just providing the lurkers a reference point for our beliefs. That is all.
The Mormons don’t pray to the dead, they do their work for them, and they can choose to accept it or not.
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Thanks for your info on “Christ” but I asked about this...
I never mentioned anyone or thing other than the mormons..
You said the mormons do the work for the dead...
How does that go ???
Ok then, if you wish me to continue, I’ll answer if you answer why Christ preached to the spirits in prison? What’s the point, from a “this life is all there is” Evangelical perspective?
1. The person dies.
2. Christ preaches to that person in spirit prison.
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The LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible has been back in Heaven now for 2,000 years...
Since He is not in any “spirit prison” who or what is it that is doing the preaching ???
and who or what preached to Hinckley when he died ???
Time is not relevant to God.
Why did Christ preach to the spirits in prison?
And who were these spirits in prison?
Stop beating around the bush, Rip...
Answer the question I first asked you ...
You made a statement in Post #21 to Paragon Defender...presumably something you believe...
“The Mormons don’t pray to the dead, they do their work for them, and they can choose to accept it or not.”
In Post #21 I asked you to explain what you said...I said...
“OK give us a blow by blow description of how that works...
Just your normal” every day scenerio of your typical “event” will do...
1 The person dies
2 ????
3 ???
and so on...
Lights camera action...”
1. Either you know and will explain the process
2. or you dont know and will admit that
3. or its a mormon secret and you will say so...
Actually I asked you because you need to understand just what you are believing...
Either you can explain your beliefs and give scripture for them...
or you need to examine further what you believe..
Courtesy PING to Paragon Defender
PD the occult is always Satanic...
You are free to answer my question if you can, but I've never seen an EV who could answer why Christ did what he did among spirits in prison.
To answer yours, it's simple. The person baptizing by proxy for someone who has passed on, takes that person into a font, and repeating the baptismal prayer the same way for a living ordinance, except with the addition of these words:
“_____________, having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you “for and in behalf of” ______________, who is dead. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
That's the baptism by proxy. It's pretty simple.
Now, I'll ask again... why did Jesus take the gospel to those spirits who were dead? To what end?
Popcorn placemarker
I would advise against extra butter on the popcorn. It’s already a bit greasy and slippery in here as it is. ;-)
You spin what we are saying to no end.
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DUH
Kid ya havent said anything yet...
and I sure didnt do any spin...
theres been nothing to spin...
So.....
You report...then we’ll seee...
Still waiting for you to say something...
I answered your question. Now please answer mine.
Why was Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison after his death?
OK I found a bit of an answer buried in #31
You saidf...
“To answer yours, it’s simple. The person baptizing by proxy for someone who has passed on, takes that person into a font, and repeating the baptismal prayer the same way for a living ordinance, except with the addition of these words:
“_____________, having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you “for and in behalf of” ______________, who is dead. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
That’s the baptism by proxy. It’s pretty simple.” (Rip)
But Rip, you didnt answer what you had originally posted
“The Mormons don’t pray to the dead, they do their work for them, and they can choose to accept it or not.”
“THEY CAN CHOOSE TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT”
How is this bit done ???
This is the dead person, right ???
Obviously this cant be done in proxy by a live person ...
so here we go Rip...
I’ll write slowly...
1. How does the D-E-A-D person find out that someone (a L-I-V-E person)”did” this for him ???
2. How is he or she (the D-E-A-D person) asked (by a L-I-V-E person) whether or not he or she (the D-E-A-D person) “accepted” what was done ???
3. How do the L-I-V-I-N-G people find out what answer the D-E-A-D person gave ???
Over to you kid...
Why was Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison after his death?
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You have a wonderful answer due you after I get the rest of my answer to the dead dunking question
Tennessee Nana
TN, we have no idea if they accept the baptism or not. We do not try to communicate with the dead. Period, end of story.
The baptism by proxy is done for their behalf, by the living. They can choose to accept it or deny it, it’s all based on agency. That’s it.
Now, I’ll ask yet again. Why did Jesus preach to the spirits in prison?
And you can write as slowly as you can, it doesn’t change the answer. WE DO NOT KNOW IF THE DEAD ACCEPT IT OR NOT.
Does the uppercase help you understand our position better?
You have a wonderful answer due you after I get the rest of my answer to the dead dunking question
Tennessee Nana
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Great, I’m waiting.
I’ll ask again. Why did Jesus go to the spirits in prison and preach the gospel to the dead?
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