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So far, we have ONE honest Mormon posting on these threads. When shown the quotes from his religion's founder, Joseph Smith, and the follow-up quotes from other leaders in his religion, he honestly stated that he sees nothing wrong with the meaning of those quotes. Normandy is honest, and honestly believes the polytheism and fantasies from Joseph Smith. But he is so far the only posting Mormon who does not try to dissemble (deceive regarding) the posted facts on Mormonism and direct quotes from the Mormon leadership as found in LDS literature.

Of course, one or two other Mormon posters are not able to follow the flow of discussion and have little or no foundation even in the heresies of Mormonism, as they are 'go along with the directives' Mormons you cannot expect honesty from such since they feel the need to obfuscate openly, posting a list of web connections which will do the 'witnessing'.

Sad really, that the haystack posters know so little of the heretical rot found at their links, but we post the quotes from the leadership of LDS inc anyway and ignore the ignorance on parade.

I wonder though, does Mormonism teach the adherents to twist truths, so that the twisted sentence fits the mold of Moronism fallacy? I mean, when someone who is honest states that they do not believe God will torment 'forever' those who behave well in life, it is obvious that somewhere a twisted image has been conveyed and believed.

The Bible clearly teaches that it is the non-believer who seals their own destiny, and that God intends there to be a place of outer darkness for those unfit to be in His presence is not incredible at all: God is righteous and cannot allow unrighteousness in His presence else it diminish His righteousness.

The flesh veils the inner man, as Jesus taught when He spoke of what comes up out of the heart defiling the man, not what goes in at the mouth of the man. The God Who created the Universe is greater than His creation. The god of Mormonism is not greater than the Universe since the Mormon god had to have something already in existence which he could manipulate to fashion things.

The jesus of Mormonism is a created thing made from whatever was in existence that the Mormon god used to sire his 'spirit offspring'. The Mormon god was created by an earlier god, and so on backward for some unspecified length of time. The God Mormons don't know, Who created the Universe, created Time and Space and all that is in the Universe, by His Word, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us in Jesus The Christ.

Perhaps an honest Mormon can someday find this real Jesus, Who is God, the Real God Who was before there was anything made, in Whom was the Word and The Word was God. We can pray for that eventuality.