Why the temple ceremony was changed in 1990 - LDS-Mormon

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[Alex Murphy]

In 1990, the revised ceremony became effective, and the Protestant minister was eliminated from the film. Some of the key changes were:

1. Protestant minister paid by Lucifer to preach false doctrine was eliminated.
2. All penalties (and gestures like throat slashing, chest slashing and bowel slashing) were eliminated.
3. Women's promise to be obedient to husbands was modified.
4. The intimate position at the veil (foot to foot, knee to knee, breast to breast, hand on shoulder and mouth to ear) was eliminated.
5. The strange words "Pay Lay Ale" (meaning "Oh God hear the words of my mouth") were eliminated.

....I've even heard reliable reports of members refusing to believe that older versions included the ridicule of a Protestant minister and bloody oaths. Of course, these people would avoid any information about older versions of the ceremonies in books or on the internet....a significant number of people were offended by various parts of the ceremony. In particular, many converts with a Christian background were highly offended by the part of the minister accepting employment from Satan ("Lucifer")...

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[Elsie]

Whether or whither?

[Elsie]

wow!

[Paragon Defender]

More old and tired Non-Issues. /YAWN

Undecided readers,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation. You’ll likely see perfect examples of just this shortly after I post.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

[dragonblustar]

Lucifer: Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language?

I'm learning more every day. Thanks for posting that MHGinTN! That was really interesting.

[dragonblustar]

Good post delacoert. Very interesting. Do older Mormons every comment about missing the old traditions?

[delacoert]

Eye opening is a bit of an understatement for some of us.

At first, I wrote "horrifying" instead of eye-opening, but as I thought about it, I second guessed my-self. As you know, I have never been Mormon, neither have any of my family so I don't have natural attachments that would personalize the horror to me so I decided the use of the word was misleading. Since I have heard of other dreadful incidents of the occult practice of ritual abuse I settled on eye-opening. I now regret the use do to the understatement.

[reaganaut]

Wow. Thank you for your insight.

[reaganaut]

Wow. Praise God, indeed!

[caww]

To the readers of this thread. Once again Mr. Paragon Defenders lays out links to Mormon literature...”baiting” is another term those who have worked with occults would define this move. If you note he offers links to Mormon Literature....just as I stated in my post cults do. Along with this a “kind” invitation for you to find out for yourself. Cultists will also go to any extreme to distract their “targets” from listening to any opposition, often times critical of those who are working to assist the families and or persons needing to be free of the cult. Generally coming across with a “ invitation” or better said “soft sell” for the individual to discover for themselves the “truth”. At this point the initiate is being set up....with the idea of squelching any opposition....as we see on this thread.

Next they will “promise” if you heed their simple advice you will receive special revelations known only to them or a few....an example follows:

(.....” I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent......)

Do keep in mind if you don't get the special revelations then as noted above it will be because your motives aren't “honest”, or your intentions are not where they need to be, thus the problem will be you're not being “honest”....so the focus moves to your mental and heart condition. It's then the initiate questions themself....Bingo!... They know you've taken the bait and the desensitization and programming begins. If they can make you doubt yourself they know they can move forward with the process.

Repetition is another practice of cultists....such as here where a poster posts the same thing over and over again. Usually not their own opinion rather a carbon copy or scripted copy of how they are taught to recruit...and or "fight" those who would get in the way of their program to recruit you.... it doesn't matter if it's true or not because the motive is to make you doubt yourself more and more.

[Elsie]

 

 

Repetition is another practice of cultists....such as here where a poster posts the same thing over and over again.

 

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success

unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -

- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

[Elsie]

Why in 1987 was it necessary to send out a 92 question survey to help make the decision to change the temple ceremony so it would be more palatable to new converts in April of 1990?

Isn't this how LIBERALS 'rule' today?

They take POLLS to see what some folks are thinking, and then adjust their sails to take advantage of the breeze?

[caww]

Exactly.....;)

[SZonian]

Well put caww.

It's so true. I used the same tactic while on splits with the missionaries. It's what we were taught to do.

"Do keep in mind if you don't get the special revelations then as noted above it will be because your motives aren't “honest”, or your intentions are not where they need to be, thus the problem will be you're not being “honest”....so the focus moves to your mental and heart condition. It's then the initiate questions themself....Bingo!... They know you've taken the bait and the desensitization and programming begins. If they can make you doubt yourself they know they can move forward with the process."

"Pray earnestly, if you feel you didn't get the answer or the right answer, keep praying until you do!"

Self-fulfilling "prophecy". "Dang it, I'm going to keep doing this until I get that answer."

[caww]

At the heart of all cult recruitment is ‘to create doubt’ in their targets. (Just as the enemy of mens souls did with Eve..."Has not God said?").... This is why they go after those with some familiarity in Christianity or new believers...this is also why they are fighting so hard to be considered ‘Christian’ by the Christian Community.