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Bryan Fischer: Firefighters did the Christian thing in letting house burn
The Examiner ^ | 10/7/10 | Joe Speranzella SFO

Posted on 10/07/2010 7:04:54 AM PDT by Catholic Examiner

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To: stuartcr

I understand all that. I was commenting on whether they did the Christian thing or not. They were there already. They could have had him sign a waiver on the spot, and hosed the place instead of watching.


Good to see somebody finally made some sense.


121 posted on 10/07/2010 9:56:31 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: ravenwolf

Thank you


122 posted on 10/07/2010 9:57:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Hodar

I live in a town with volunteer fireman. I know them. I contribute hundreds of dollars a year. They would never let a house burn. Unless the man was mentally ill with a gun at the door. And most of them are paid experienced cops who volunteer. So they might know how to handle even that situation.


123 posted on 10/07/2010 10:00:46 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace

I live in a town with volunteer fireman. Fireman=Firemen


124 posted on 10/07/2010 10:02:04 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace
If it was your house what then.

I understand your position. We all feel the same way about any home burning down.

In normal circumstances, this would not happened. Something is out of kilter here, and I am beginning to think it's the MR. and the MRS. of the house.

No one has stated, nor asked that I have seen, what started the fire. If true that the homeowner had time to rescue his pets, why didn't he? Where was he when the fire started, or was discovered?

The MR. says he forgot to pay the bill (?), the MRS. says they didn't pay last year either.

The MR. goes to the FIREHOUSE and punches the chief in the nose.

The following are assumptions based on little threads of info here and there:

The MR. was refusing to pay the bill, and it was a point of contention between him and the FD. He and the city officials have had words, many times.

125 posted on 10/07/2010 10:08:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Hodar

Well put.


126 posted on 10/07/2010 10:12:14 AM PDT by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: stuartcr

But, if they had put the man’s fire out; wouldn’t you ask yourself a question as to why you are cutting that check?

“Golly, Billy-Bob didn’t pay, and they came out and put his fire out. So, why should I pay $75? If they came out for Billy-Bob, they will come out for me too”. So, if you are getting the service for FREE - why would anyone pay for it?

So, now a non-tax supported FD no longer has a revenue stream, goes bankrupt and everyone loses a FD.


127 posted on 10/07/2010 10:14:35 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: johngrace

Do your volunteer firemen go to homes outside their jurisdiction? If so, as a taxpayer I would have issue with that.

The FD does not belong to the firemen, it belongs to those who pay to support that FD. If it’s not supported by the local taxpayers, then it’s supported by those who opt to subscribe.

If you are giving the service away, why would anyone pay for it?


128 posted on 10/07/2010 10:17:14 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: stuartcr; Pessimist
For $75, I bet a collection would have come up with that in no time, or chalk it up as a lost pair of boots.

Do you think they would take up the collection if....

This homeowner had refused to pay, and had spoken to the FD and informed them that even if he didn't pay, they still had to put out a fire. If this homeowner then went on to suggest that have might just have to 'prove' it, one day.

There are, in this land, many people who don't exactly have their heads screwed on straight. Manic/Depressives come to mind.

NOW, all of that is pure conjecture, so take it with a grain of salt, but keep an open mind on this. I think there is more involved in this than just a simple problem with a missed payment.

129 posted on 10/07/2010 10:17:17 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Hodar

I would still pay because it’s the right thing to do. I believe the FD is still supported by the town and it does this just for those that live in the county.


130 posted on 10/07/2010 10:17:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Dudoight
"The least the firemen could do would have been leave rather than sit and watch the house burn down."

Perhaps the firemen were ready to keep the neighboring homes from catching fire and burning down ... at least the ones where the $75 had been paid. That would be my guess. There was really no other reason to show up.

131 posted on 10/07/2010 10:18:15 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: al_c
"Put the darn thing out, then fine the guy for not paying his fee. Case closed."

Under what ordinance are they going to fine him? He doesn't live in the city limits, which is why he was being charged $75 for fire protection from the town.

132 posted on 10/07/2010 10:20:22 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Therapsid
EVERY one who can afford it should drive through south and west detroit ...then cross the bridge into Winsor... Bring a Liberal with you.

They can even ride up front.


133 posted on 10/07/2010 10:21:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: stuartcr

You do understand how insurance works, don’t you?

You all share a risk, and when eveyone pays a premium, the risk is divided among the participants so when something bad does happen, the individual is protected.

This individual was foolish enough to expect everyone else to pay for his safety, and then compounded his foolishness by not installing indoor sprinklers to compensate for refusing FD protection.

Again, have you read the parable about the Ant and the Grasshopper? You are demanding that the Grasshopper be rewarded for his foolishness.

I support SMALL government and Personal Responsibility, you are supporting a LARGE goverment and an Entitlement society.


134 posted on 10/07/2010 10:21:15 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

The facts, reason and thought put into your comments is much appreciated.


135 posted on 10/07/2010 10:22:12 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: stuartcr
His son is the one that punched the chief, not him.

Thank you for that correction. My memory needs all the help it can get.

136 posted on 10/07/2010 10:23:52 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
I am going to say in the case of freeloaders in life that you have a point. We do not know the whole story.

But for the greater good if even that was a dry season in a rural area or whatever to help put it out prevents more potential damage. I live were homes are very close to one another. Maybe the whole block would go up and continue to next block. I have seen house fires then fireman hose down a little bit of neighbors house so no spark flame takes to house. Just saying.

But from my experience in life the people who state sarcastic or negative statements can be the first to help. One of my family who passed on. He would never promise anything to help. But when the situation needed help he was the first to respond. So we can't judge one another until a real situation presents itself. But truly makes you think if it was in our own area.

137 posted on 10/07/2010 10:26:51 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: blarney
We know they let a home burn down when they could have out of decency stopped it and they didn’t.

So, either a whole staff of firefighters and supervisors are indecent human beings, or there are some missing pieces to the puzzle.

I'm betting on the missing pieces.

138 posted on 10/07/2010 10:29:04 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: arthurus
Given all that, those fellows certainly did their jobs.

You mean because they let a second house catch fire ?

I think that's another missing piece to the puzzle.

139 posted on 10/07/2010 10:31:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Looks like car from Mad Max two! LOL!


140 posted on 10/07/2010 10:31:58 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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